* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SIX O'CLOCK. SO [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE MARTINS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION. THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR ARE ABSENT. WE NEED A MOTION FOR SOMEONE TO CHAIR THE MEETING. WELL, YOU GOTTA SAY IF YOU CAN'T WARN , HE WANTS THE CHAIR. WELL, YOU, YOU DEMAND, I DUNNO ABOUT THAT. THIS MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE MARK THE CHAIR. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, I'D TO MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE MARK THE CHAIR. NICE MEETING. IS THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS? IF NOT, WHO'S IN FAVOR OF MR. PALMER BEING THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING? SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY NAY. I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO YOU UNTIL WHEN? UNTIL MR. ROGERS SHOWS UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE DONE ANY OF THIS, BUT LET'S, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND HAVE A ROLL CALL. MEET PLEASE. JIM ROGERS. BENJAMIN COOK. MARK PALMER. HERE. HUNTER MARTIN. HERE. CRAIG TSON? HERE. STEVE WORKINGS. KEENAN POOLER. HERE. STEVE KNIGHT. HERE. KEN SAYER HERE. AND CHAIRMAN IS HERE. SO WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO HIM. . THERE WE HAVE TWO. WE GOT TWO. THAT'S JUST FINE. WELCOME EVERYBODY. SO WE'VE HAD A ROLL CALL, CORRECT? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. UM, [3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES] WE HAVE OUR MEETING MINUTES FROM MARCH 4TH, 2026. I'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE. IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS SUGGESTED, THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND, BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE NO UNFINISHED [5. NEW BUSINESS/NON-PUBLIC HEARING] BUSINESS. WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS. THIS IS A NON-PUBLIC HEARING PHASE DEVELOPMENT APPROACH, DISCUSSION FOR A MARKET TILE DRIVE AND MARKETPLACE BOULEVARD WITH THE APPLICANT. PLEASE COME FORWARD, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US WHY YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT. GOOD EVENING. UH, I'M JACK O'HARA WITH WISE MARKETS, THE APPLICANT. UM, WE PUT THIS DOWN HERE, I'M SORRY. UH, AS INDICATED ON THE AGENDA, WE ARE, UH, HERE TO PRESENT THE CONCEPT OF A PHASE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, A CONNECTOR ROAD CALLED, UH, MERCANTIL DRIVE PLAN, UM, IN, UH, NEAR MARTINSBURG DEVELOPMENT DOWN AT, UH, ON ROUTE 45. BASICALLY, IT'S ULTIMATELY TO THE PLAN TO CONNECT 45 TO, UH, DELMONT. WHICH ROAD? OKAY. OKAY. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. WE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, UM, UH, CONNECTOR ROAD AND THEN, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT IT BE RELOCATED AND WITH A PHASE APPROACH ON THE APPROVAL. OKAY. UM, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE A, A MEMORANDUM FROM, UH, MR. BLAKE, THE CITY MANAGER. WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH HIM AND WITH, UH, OUR, THE OTHER EFFECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, MR. UH, POLAND AND, UH, MR. DALEY, UH, WHO'S WHERE THE, THE ROAD WILL TRAVERSE THEIR PROPERTIES. SO, IN SHORT, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING THIS FOR NEAR 20 YEARS ABOUT THE, THIS CONNECTOR ROAD BETWEEN 45 AND BELMONT ORCHARD. UM, AGAIN, WE HAD IT, IT WAS ON OUR, OUR ORIGINAL APPROVED PLANS BACK I BELIEVE IN 2012 OR 2013. WE ORIGINALLY HAD APPROVED. UM, SINCE THEN WE HAVE BUILT OUR STORE AND UM, UH, OUR, OUR FUEL FACILITY AND THE HOME GOODS IS ALREADY HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED. RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE, THE NEXT PHASE, IF YOU WILL OKAY. TO GET THERE. AND ANYWAY, THE, THE, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A, UH, A TWO LANE ROAD CURB, GUT CURBING GUTTER. OKAY. AND, UM, THE PHASE DEVELOPMENT PART IS WE WOULD BUILD A CURB AND GOT A ROAD AND WE WOULD DELAY THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF FOR, UH, STREET FEES, UH, SIDEWALKS, UH, ON STREET PARKING AND, UM, STREET NIGHTS UNTIL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE, ARE EVENTUALLY DEVELOPED. CURRENTLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY ASSUMING FARMLAND RIGHT. NOT [00:05:01] BEING USED THIS TIME. SO, SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S THE PLAN. UM, SO THE BASICALLY WOULD BE , HERE WE GO. THIS WILL SHOW YOU THE, THE, THE PATH OF THE ROAD. UH, AS YOU KNOW, THERE, UM, MARKETPLACE BOULEVARD CURRENTLY EXISTS UP TO, UH, THE END OF OUR, OUR PROPERTY LINE, UH, THIS, THIS PROPOSED ROAD AS YOU SEE SIR, UM, THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND EVENTUALLY CONNECTS DOWN TO DELMAR ORCHARD. OKAY. AND THIS WAS, THIS WAS ACTUALLY PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR OUR 10 YEAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE ASKED. YEAH, YEAH. GOOD. OKAY. SO IN SHORT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING JUST TO GET SOME, SOME FEEDBACK AND, UM, ON, ON WHETHER THE CONCEPT OF PHASE DEVELOPMENT IS, WILL BE EMBRACED, UH, BY, BY THE, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHEN YOU SAY PHASE DEVELOPMENT, DO, DO YOU MEAN THAT THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE A FULL CONNECTION BETWEEN THE EXISTING ROADWAY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE WISE MARKETS ALL THE WAY TO DELMAR ORCHARD? IS IT JUST GONNA BE PARTIAL ROAD? YEAH, THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE CONNECTION FROM DELMAR ORCHARD TO THE EXISTING ROAD. OKAY. SO IT'D BE COMPLETED ROAD THAT WOULD CONNECT. RIGHT. SO THE THE EFFECT, THE, THE CONNECTION IF YOU WILL, OR THE CONNECTION TO THE ROAD YEAH. BE COMPLETED. THE THING THAT THE, THE, THE PHASE PART IS THE STREET TREES, THE SIDEWALKS, THE, UM, THE PARKING AND UM, LIGHTING WOULD BE DEFERRED UNTIL THE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE BEEN DEVELOPED. OKAY. OKAY. AND THE CONCEPT ALSO IS THERE IS, UM, WE'D BE LOOKING TO TO, TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH IT THROUGH A AMEND OF THE, OF THE EXISTING PLAN, WHICH IS BASED, IF YOU, IF YOU SEE, UH, MISS MR. BLAKE'S UH, MEMO, THAT'S GREAT. WE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE STEPS THAT HE SET, SET FORTH. AND BASICALLY THE PHASE APPROACH IS APPROVED. WE COULD, WE COULD MO WE ACCOMPLISHED THE MODIFICATION OF THE EXISTING PLAN. BASICALLY THAT'S, SORRY. ULTIMATELY, UM, ONCE THE ROAD IS COMPLETED, THE TRUCK JUST TO CONNECT, NOT ALL THE OTHER IMPROVES, UM, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO DEDICATE THE, TO BILL TO THE STANDARD, TO THE CODE, UH, ORDINANCE. BUT EXCEPT FOR THE WAIVERS OF THE, OF THE OTHER INSTALLATIONS ERS ANY TRANSPORT AGAINST THOUGHTS, THE PROPOSED ROUTE THAT YOU HAVE NOW IS THE SAME THAT ON OUR MASTER PLAN, IS THAT TRUE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? DON'T WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWS HOW THAT WAS GONNA BE CONNECTED OR WE DON'T. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD A PLAN. I DON'T THINK THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE ROAD WAS PART OF THAT, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THERE. AND IF YOU RECALL BACK WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DONE, THERE WAS A EASEMENT WITH A ROAD. BUT THIS ROAD IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BY AGREEMENT OF ALL THE PARTIES THERE. AND I THINK THE CITY HAS REVIEWED IT AND MADE SURE THAT IT WAS STILL ACCOMPLISHED. WHAT IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT AREA? OH, OKAY. SO THE CITY HAS REVIEWED THIS AND WE HAVE NOT DONE A COMPLETE TECHNICAL REVIEW THIS, BUT WE REVIEWED THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. UM, WE POINTED A COUPLE THINGS OUT, BUT OF COURSE ISN'T A ENGINEERED SET. UM, WE'RE COMING TO YOU TO ASK IF YOU WOULD BE, UM, OKAY WITH THESE APPROACH AND THEN THERE'S THREE WAIVERS IF THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT EITHER NEXT MEETING OR THE ZOOM MEETING, DEPENDING ON TIMING, UM, FOR THAT. SO THAT'S REALLY THE ASK TONIGHT IS ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PHASED APPROACH OF THE ROAD THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND PUNTING? PRETTY MUCH THE STREET TREES, THE LIGHTING IN THE SIDEWALK TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHT. WHEN THEY START DEVELOPING. OKAY. AND I NOTICED OF COURSE THE WIDTH, THE ROADWAY IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS IN HERE. UH, DOES THE CITY FEEL LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE OKAY FOR THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME THAT'S GONNA BE ON THIS ROAD? THERE'S NOT BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY SUBMITTED FOR THIS DATE AND WE'VE SEEN A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS AREA. HOWEVER, THE ROAD DOES ACCOUNT FOR TURN LANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THE ADJACENT INTERSECTION. SO, UM, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC TIME YOU GO A TWO LANE ROAD. SO WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. SUFFICIENT THE WAY THEY'RE PROPOSING. CORRECT. OKAY. AND IT DOES HAVE TURNING LANES YOU SAY GOES IT WILL. OKAY. LIKE, LIKE RILEY SAID, THERE'S NO TECHNICAL REVIEW BEEN DONE YET. RIGHT. THIS IS JUST THE CONCEPT OF HEY, WE WANT TO GENERALLY FOLLOW THIS IDEA, THIS APPROACH. OKAY. AND JUST THE ROAD, THE WAY IT'S SHOWN ON DISPOSAL, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE AGREED TO THIS. I MEAN THE, THIS DOESN'T TOUCH ANYBODY'S PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE PRESENT OR THAT HAS NOT [00:10:01] AGREED TO IT? THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE TWO SUPPORT LETTERS FROM, UM, THE POLLING FAMILY AND THEN THE LEASE ALSO SUPPLIED IT. IT WAS, UM, WE RECEIVED IT AFTER WE POSTED THE PACKET, BUT IT'S IN THE HANDOUT HERE. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE IN AGREEANCE WITH EVERYTHING, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS. OKAY. SO WE ONLY HAVE THE TWO. YES. OKAY. NO, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT THIS MINUTE. UNDERSTOOD. WE DON'T DO IT. WE DON'T HAVE IT'S IT IS, YEAH. THERE'S NOT REALLY AN ACTION ITEM JUST GETTING A CONSENSUS. 'CAUSE IF YOU RECALL AT THE ORIGINAL APPROVALS THAT IT WAS, THEIR PHASE DEVELOPMENT WAS CONTINGENT UPON GETTING THIS ROAD THROUGH AND IT WAS GONNA BE THE FULL BOULEVARD. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS, ARE WE GONNA BE OKAY WHEN THEY COME WITH THE WAIVER WITH THIS PHASE DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT'S GONNA HAVE THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL ROAD. BUT UM, THE BELT AND WHISTLES WILL COME LATER. BUT THE PHASE DEVELOPMENT, WE, THE FIRST PHASE IS ROAD AND INCLUDING CURB AND GUTTER OR CURB. WE UNDERSTAND IT. I THINK IT'S THE CURB AND GUTTER AND THAT WAY IT WILL SATISFY THEN THE RESTRICTION ON THEM DEVELOPING THE REST OF THEIR LAND. PAST THAT, I GUESS IT WAS PHASE THREE, ALMOST THE STORE. THEN THERE WAS A PHASE TWO AND I THINK THERE WAS ACTUALLY A PHASE THREE. AND THEN EVERYTHING AFTER THAT HAD STOPPED UNTIL THIS ROAD WENT TO DELMAR ORCHARD. AND WHERE'S THE CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING DELMAR ORDERED? IS IT THE CURB? CURB WHICH IS THE SAME PLACE? THE ORIGINAL ONE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I COULDN'T TELL. OKAY. AND ALSO YOU HAD MENTIONED THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO YES. SO THE WAIVERS WOULD INCLUDE, UM, PRETTY MUCH DOING IT JUST CURB TO CURB, NOT THE OUTSIDE. UM, IT WOULD BE A WAIVER ON OUR TYPICAL ROAD STANDARD. UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE FOR THE, UM, SURETY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE JUST ON THE ROAD, NOT THE OTHER THINGS. GOTCHA. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THAT'S NOT TO SAY ONCE WE GET INTO ENGINEERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE WON'T BE ASKING FOR MORE, BUT UPFRONT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. CONSENSUS IS, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD WITH IT. YEP. I MEAN WHAT THE CITY HAS REVIEWED SO FAR, YOU ALL DON'T SEE, I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT RIGHT NOW? I BELIEVE SO, YES. YEAH, I MEAN I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THAT IT INCLUDES UH, ASSOCIATED STORM MODEL MANAGEMENT, BUT THAT WILL BE THE PART OF THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS. RIGHT. WHICH WILL BE IMPORTANT PART. OKAY. ALRIGHT. A VOTE. BUT YOU'VE HEARD COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK HOPEFULLY, UH, SOONER THAN LATER. YES SIR. SOUNDS GOOD. GOOD LUCK. APPRECIATE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [6. NEW BUSINESS/PUBLIC HEARINGS] OKAY. UM, WE ARE MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS. THIS IS PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH TWO NINE DASH SP SITE PLAN. APPROVAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED OFF UNION AVENUE BY UH, ON BERKELEY COUNTY MARTINSBURG DISTRICT TAX MAP 11 PARCEL 2 59. AND THIS IS FROM 27. OH. WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? INTRODUCE YOURSELF? UH, TREVOR LLOYD MAINLAND ENGINEERING. OKAY, VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A SITE PLAN, APPROVAL REQUEST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF 27 HOMES ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC EN ENFORCEMENT OF THIS MEETING WITH ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK OPPOSED TO OR IN FAVOR OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. PLEASE DO SO NOW HOW YOU ARE ONE DAY. MY NAME'S TOMMY WATERS. I'VE LIVED AT 6 1 7 FOR PROBABLY AROUND YEARS NOW. I RECENTLY PURCHASED A PROPERTY TWO YEARS AGO SINCE THEY HAVE STARTED THIS. UM, THE FIRST THING, A BUSH BLADE BROKE OFF AND WENT THROUGH MY FENCE AND I GOT EIGHT GRANDKIDS AND PLAYING IN THE YARD. I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PICTURES HERE IF Y'ALL WANNA SEE 'EM. WE HAVE WILDLIFE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NOW. UM, YOU HAVE IS A LIGHT WIRE HANGING ON OUR GARAGE. SO THEY CAME KNOCKED THE LEFT JULY 17TH. THEY WAS CUTTING TREES DOWN ONE OF THE BRANCHES HIT THE ELECTRIC LINE BEHIND THE HOUSE. IT'S YET TO BE FIXED. AND WHEN I CALLED THE ELECTRIC COMPANY, THEY CAME OUT AND THEY SAID THEY CAN'T FIX IT UNTIL THE POLES FIXED. [00:15:04] MIND YOU, THE CABLES STILL RAN ON MY ROOF. THE WEATHERHEAD, THEY BROKE OFF MY HOUSE. THEY SAID IT CAN'T BE REPLACED UNLESS THE WIRE'S REPLACED. I'VE GOT TEXT FROM MIKE AND GARY, THEIR ELECTRICIAN. I'VE GOT ALL THE DATES. UM, I GUESS I'M GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THE WIRE TO GET REPLACED. I HAVE NO IDEA. MIKE'S NOT A VERY GOOD RESPONDER, BUT UH, I NOTICED THERE'S A ALLEYWAY ON HERE. THEY'RE SHOWING RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE. I WAS TOLD THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CUT ANY TREES DOWN THERE AND THEY WASN'T GONNA CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN. THEY CUT AN ALL DOWN. I'D LIKE FOR ONE TO AT LEAST PUT SOME BACK UP OR SOMETHING TO WHERE I DON'T SEE A MUD PIT ALL THE TIME. I GOT DUST ALL THE TIME IN MY POOL. I GOTTA REPLACE THE FILTERER ABOUT EVERY THREE MONTHS OR THREE WEEKS. I GOT A POWER WASH TO HOUSE AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH. THEY'RE THROWING SO MUCH DUST UP THROUGH THERE. I CAN GO ON AND ON. I'VE SEEN YOUNG KIDS RUN THE EQUIPMENT BACK THERE. THEY DONE DUMPED THE, OR THEY KNOCKED ONE TIP. THE, WHAT IS THAT? DUMP TRUCK. THANK YOU. UM, THEY HAD A FIRE LASTED OVER A MONTH LAST SEPTEMBER MONTHS, SEVERAL MONTHS. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS TO CREATE. WE GOT A ONE ALLEY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM HERE. IF ALL THESE HOUSES HERE HAVE TEENAGERS, I'M LOOKING AROUND, I'M GONNA SAY A HUNDRED PLUS CARS. IT'S A DEAD END ROAD OR THEY COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. NOT TO MENTION THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES ALREADY HAVE CAUSED US WHO LIVE ON THE DS OR DEAD END PART OF IT. I'VE BEEN LATE FOR WORK AT LEAST 45 MINUTES AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AND LIKE THEY'LL SEE YOU SITTING THERE. THEY JUST SIT THERE, THEY DON'T MOVE. AND I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR ME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. UH, MY NAME IS ROXANE CAM AND I HAVE PROPERTY ON CENTRAL AVENUE, WHICH HAS AFFECTED, UM, YOU CAN SEE KEVIN CANBY AND ROXANNE CANBY. UM, WHEN THIS ALL STARTED AND JUST TO BACK AND SUPPORT WHAT HE'S SAYING, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN KIND OF SHADY OR NOT UP TO PAR. THEY CAME IN AND TORE, LIKE HE SAID, ALL THE TREES DOWN. NONE OF US WERE NOTIFIED. I MEAN NOTHING. ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS HAD COME UP AND JUST DESTROY EVERYTHING. I HAVE PICTURES WHERE THERE'S A PILE OF WATER LAYING ON MY PROPERTY LINE FULL OF GREEN SLIME. IT'S GONNA HAVE MOSQUITOES IN IT EVENTUALLY BECAUSE IT'S GETTING WARM WEATHER. UM, I'VE CALLED FOUR TIMES AND LEFT MESSAGES TO NO AVAIL TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. I'VE TRIED TO BE KIND ABOUT IT, BUT I'M KIND OF GETTING A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH IT. AGAIN, LIKE HE SAID, ALL THE TREES WERE TORN DOWN RIGHT UP AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY LINE. IT LOOKS DISGUSTING. IT IS. I WISH I WOULD'VE KNOWN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT BEFORE IT HAPPENED, BEFORE IT HAD TAKEN PLACE. BUT WE DID KNOW ABOUT IT. UM, THE DUST AND THE FIRE, THAT FIRE LASTED. I HAVE VIDEO PICTURES. WE ALL HAVE PLENTY TO SUPPORT THAT. UM, THAT BURN FROM MONTHS ON END WITH CALLING THE, I CALLED THE FIRE CHIEF, SPOKE TO THE FIRE CHIEF, NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT. I MEAN IT, THEY CAME AND WE, THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT BUT THEY NEVER PUT IT OUT. IT WOULD REKINDLE. IT WOULD REKINDLE, IT WOULD REKINDLE. SO, AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT IS BUSINESS. I KNOW IT IS DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS IN OUR TOWN. IT IS A DEAD END. THERE'S NOWHERE, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT ME TRAFFIC WISE. I DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS GONNA AFFECT WITH LIKE HE SAID, WITH ALL THOSE CARS. IF YOU DO THE MATH WHERE WHERE DOES THE CITY THINK THIS IS HOW THIS IS GONNA BE A GOOD THING. SO, UH, I JUST JUST WANTED TO SAY MY PIECE. I FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? SPEAK, UH, OPPOSED TO OR IN FAVOR OF THIS SITE PLAN APPROVAL, SEEING NOBODY COME FORWARD, THEN I'LL CLOSE THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING. UM, COMMISSIONERS, I MEAN AS FAR AS SOME, SOME OF THESE COMPLAINTS, SOME OF THESE THINGS REALLY SHOULD BE RESOLVED THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE SITE INSPECTION ON THE PART OF THE CITY. I MEAN IS IS THE SITE BEING PROPERLY DEVELOPED? IS, IS. SO WE HAD A MEETING WITH OUR MS FOUR DIVISION, STORMWATER. [00:20:01] UM, CHRIS AND I BOTH SAT DOWN WITH THEM TO WHO WAS THERE. UM, AND THEY EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS AND THEY'VE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE AND GOT PRINTED EVERYTHING AS WELL. UM, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S OKAY. WE'VE ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION, UM, ON THEIR STORM WATER STUFF THAT WAS SUBMITTED. SO WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS UP TO PAR. UM, BUT AS FAR AS SITE INSPECTIONS, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. UM, HAVE WE BEEN OUT THERE BEFORE I STARTED, SO NOT FROM THE PLANNING SIDE, BUT STORMWATER HAS BEEN OUT AT ONE POINT. THERE WAS A STOP WORK WITH SOME ISSUES THAT GOT RESOLVED. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE EXTENT THAT THE CITY'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT AT THIS POINT. I KNOW OUR BUILDING GUYS WERE OUT THERE FROM FIRE TO UM, BLUE SIDE OUT WITH THEM TODAY AND THEY WERE TELLING ME ABOUT THAT PROCESS. UM, SO WE WERE AWARE OF THAT. UM, BUT I THINK THAT WAS MORE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE HAVE ALL DOCUMENTS ON IT. SO WITH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, I MEAN AS FAR AS WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED TO THIS POINT, WHAT WHAT HAS PERMITTED THEM TO DO, YOU KNOW, CLEARING THINGS LIKE THAT IS THAT, SO THEY HAVE A ACTIVE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT FOR PHASE ONE AND TWO OF THEIR PROJECT, WHICH IS THE CLEARING OF IT, STORMWATER PONDS, UM, GRADING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO HAVE THEY MET, HAVE THEY MET THAT? I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MS FOUR IS COMMENTING ON. THEY'RE ACTIVELY IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING THAT WORK. THE MS FOUR IS MAKING COMMENTS AND ASKING THE APPLICANT TO MAKE CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO DO YOU, YOU GUYS FEEL THAT YOU HAVE, HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT DETERMIN FROM THE ENGINEERING PLANNING SIDE? WE DO. OKAY. UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MS FOUR, BUT THEY DID REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, THE NEW ONES IN THIS PACKET AND I BELIEVE THAT WE GOT THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED AND THEY WERE ON BOARD WITH IT TOO. SO WHO, WHO ISSUED THE INITIAL PERMIT TO DO THIS SITE? UH, CLEARING AND EXCAVATION THAT THEY'VE DONE. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID. THAT'S THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? IT'S THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, YES. AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME ENTITIES THAT LOOK AT A SITE PLAN? UM, IT WOULD BE THE PLANNING, UM, ENGINEERING, STORM WATER, ALL THAT WOULD LOOK AT THAT TO BE APPROVED OR NOT. SO THAT'S DONE BEFORE. IT WOULD COME BEFORE US, YES. MOST OF THE TIME. AND THEN WHO ENFORCES ANY ISSUES AS FAR AS WHAT THE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP? YOU KNOW, IF THEY TOOK OUT MORE, IF THEY DID IN FACT TAKE MORE TREES OUT THAN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO OR DAMAGE HIS ELECTRICAL LINE, WHO TAKES CARE OF UM, ENFORCING THAT OR MAKING SURE? SO I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS. UM, THE ELECTRIC LINE. WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO HELP WITH THAT SITUATION. I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT SO, UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO HELP THEM. BUT AS FAR AS TREES AND STUFF, THAT WOULD BE IF WE GO DO A SITE INSPECTION FOR PLANNING OR THE STORMWATER FOLKS GO OUT THERE AND LOOK, THEY HAVE THE PLANS TOO AND THEY CAN LET US KNOW. OKAY. I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY HAD THAT, UH, THAT WAS PART OF OUR PROCEDURE. YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THAT SITE, UH, IT'S A MESS RIGHT NOW. I MEAN FROM LOOKING FROM, YOU KNOW, NOT GOING ON SITE BUT LOOKING AT IT, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF EXCAVATION. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE, BUT, UH, ANYWAYS, IT UH, SEEMS LIKE I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE WOULD BE SOME ISSUES WITH IT AS. SO HOW, SO WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE FILES A COMPLAINT, I GUESS I GUESS SEND A LETTER TO THE CITY. HOW, HOW DO Y'ALL, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? HOW DO YOU GUYS HANDLE THINGS LIKE THINGS THAT COME COME TO YOU GUYS, DO Y'ALL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION TO MEET, TO TALK TO THE BANK COMMISSION, SITE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT? UM, I PERSONALLY SINCE I STARTED HAVE NOT HAD A COMPLAINT COME THROUGH. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. SO WE DID RECEIVE TWO EMAILS [00:25:01] FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING AND THOSE, UM, WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR ALL'S PACKET. UM, BUT BEFORE THAT I WAS NOT PERSONALLY AWARE OF SITUATIONS. I KNOW THAT COMPLAINTS WERE MADE TO THE MS FOUR STORM WATER DEPARTMENT. UM, I BELIEVE THE PREVIOUS CITY ENGINEER WAS WORKING WITH UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT DID START BEFORE THE LAND DISTURBANCE WAS ISSUED. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS AROSE. AS FAR AS COMPLAINTS THOUGH, WE WOULD PROBABLY CONTACT THE PERSON WHO HAS THE COMPLAINT AND MEET WITH 'EM AND KIND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO AND IF IT'S NOT OUR DEPARTMENT WHERE WE CAN SEND IT TO GET FIXED. SO GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND DESCRIBED, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD? I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING US ABOUT IT. , ON A TECHNICAL LEVEL? YES. UM, FROM THE PLANS THAT WE RECEIVED AND THAT'S WHAT I'M BASING IT ON. YES. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE GONE PAST WHAT IS IN THE INITIAL GRADING LAND DISTURBANCE PLAN. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT FROM WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. YES. SO WHO WOULD WE TALK TO OR WHO WOULD LET US KNOW IF THEY'VE GONE BEYOND THE LIMITS OR HAVEN'T COMPLIED WITH, UM, WITH WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO? SO I WOULD DIRECT YOU TO PROBABLY OUR STORM WATER DEPARTMENT AND OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE TONIGHT, THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE TONIGHT. UM, BUT I COULD ALWAYS GET A MEMO FROM THEM TOGETHER WITH ANY CONCERNS AND THEY CAN ANSWER IT FOR YOU. OKAY. SO THEY'RE THE MS FOUR AS FAR AS THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SATISFIED WITH THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE OR HAVE THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED OR WHAT? I THINK IT'S ONGOING. THEY'VE MADE COMPLAINTS. SOME COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. UM, AND THEN THEY GO REINSPECT AND WITH THE, WHETHER THERE'S BEEN OTHER THINGS COME UP SO THEY WRITE ANOTHER VIOLATION OR ANOTHER, HEY FIX THIS BEFORE WE COME BACK. BILLING TYPE THING IS OUR UNDERSTANDING. SO I THINK IT'S AN ONGOING THING. LIKE WE WILL FIX ONE THING AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT POPS UP. RIGHT. AND THEY, THEY, THEY KEEP THIS ONGOING DIALOGUE WITH THE APPLICANT TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S SOMETHING NEW THAT CAME UP, PLEASE FIX THIS. RIGHT. SO STORMWATER DID FILE NVS AND I BELIEVE THERE WERE FOUR MATTERS THAT STORMWATER IDENTIFIED. MOST OF THOSE WERE BASED UPON ITEMS THAT WERE DONE THAT WEREN'T IN THE APPLICATION. AND SO THE AMENDMENTS WERE MADE AND THE COMPLAINTS OR THE VIOLATIONS WERE DISMISSED BECAUSE THEY HAD BECOME COMPLIANT. THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO FILE, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY DID FILE IN REFERENCE TO STORMWATER. UH, SO I KNOW THAT STORMWATER'S BEEN MONITORING IT. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY PENDING OR CURRENT NOTICES OF VIOLATION FROM MS FOUR OTHER THAN THEM INSPECTING AND WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT FUTURE ISSUES. JUST TO NOTE, UM, ALSO THIS SITE PLAN WILL HELP GET SITE CLEANED UP, UM, DUE TO IT BEING THE FINAL STEPS IN THIS, UM, IF IT GETS APPROVED AND HOUSES DO START GOING IN MORE VEGETATION WILL BE GOING BACK TREES, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING AS WELL. DO THEY HAVE ANY EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL IN PLACE NOW? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK SHE SHOULD BE HAVING WATER RUNOFF IN HER BACKYARD. IF THEY HAD ENS CONTROL IN PLACE, I THINK THEY HAVE ES CONTROLS IN PLACE AFTER TALKING E EM S CONTROLS ARE IN PLACE. THE STORMWATER CONTROLS IS WHAT THEY NEED TO GET IN PLACE WITH THIS SITE AND THAT WILL HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE WATER ISSUES. THERE'LL BE DITCHES INSTALLED. THIS SITE HAS DRAIN THE DITCHES, UM, OTHER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FEATURES THAT WOULD GET THAT WATER AWAY FROM SOME OF THESE FRONT VEHICLE. BUT SHOULDN'T THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED UNDER THE PLAN THEY'RE WORKING ON NOW? TYPICALLY NOT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY HER DISTURBANCE. THE PLAN THEY HAVE NOW IS JUST TO MOVE DIRT, NOT TO INSTALL ROADS OR GRAVEL OR ANYTHING, IT'S JUST TO CLEAR THE SITE. SO THEY PUT ENS MEASURES IN PLACE THAT PROTECT RUNOFF OF SEDIMENT BUT NOT PONDING THE WATERS HERE AND THERE UNTIL THE FINAL SITE CAME. SO THEY WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU'RE SAYING RUNOFF THAT WOULD BE CREATED FROM THEM DISTURBING THE PROPERTY? TYPICALLY IT'S NOT. TYPICALLY THEY HAVE THEIR EMS PLAN WILL [00:30:01] GET THE WATER THEY'S DIVERTED INTO DIFFERENT AREAS. IF THERE IS A TY AREA, MS FOUR SHOULD COME OUT AND SAY, HEY, YOU GOT TY HERE, PLEASE FIX THAT. THAT'S A NOTICE THAT MS FOUR SHOULD BE ABLE TO . THAT DOESN'T MAKE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME PERSONALLY. AND THAT, THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW THAT UNDER THAT PLAN WITHOUT CONTROLLING IT. I THINK WHEN THEY'RE MOVING DIRT, THEY'RE NOT INTENDING TO PUT WATER THERE. SO WHEN WATER DOES END UP THERE, IF LANDOWNER WAS TO NOTIFY US, WE WOULD GO GET WITH MS FOUR AND SAY, HEY LET'S GET THESE GUYS TO FIX THIS AREA. BUT IF YOU, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PLAN AND LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN USUALLY TELL IF THERE'S WATER GONNA RUN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, REAL HARD TO DETERMINE THAT. CORRECT. I DON'T THINK THE PLAN SHOWS WATER GOING THERE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS DURING CONSTRUCTION THEY PROBABLY MOVED DIRT, FORCED WATER IN A DIFFERENT AREA THAT THEY WEREN'T PLANNING TO. THAT'S WHY MS. HORTON NEEDS TO COME IN AND HAVE TO MOVE THAT WATER TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. DID THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT PEOPLE TO HANDLE THIS MS. OUR STORM PEOPLE? I MEAN, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S, I MEAN TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE THAT UH, WHETHER IT'S OURS, THERES OR BOTH , YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO UH, CORRECT. NO, IT YOU UNDERST SPIRIT WITH THAT. A LOT OF TIMES, UNLESS THE COMPLAINT COMES IN, MS FOUR IS ONLY SET SCHEDULE FOR INSPECTIONS. SO IF NOW THAT THIS LENDER HAS MADE A COMPLAINT, WE GO BACK TO MAR WITH MS FOUR AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU CHECK THIS OUT? OR STANDING WATER IN STATE BACKYARD, WE NEED TO GET ADDRESSED. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP IF THERE, IF THESE THINGS THAT THE LANDOWNER EXPRESSED HAD BEEN DAMAGED, CAN WE DO ANYTHING? I MEAN IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP THAT SITUATION OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S STRICTLY UP TO THE CONTRACTOR TO TAKE CARE OF? I DON'T THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW PHYSICALLY BUT THE CITY AUTHORITY TO ISSUE ASSESSMENTS OR ANYTHING. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I MEANT, UM, I GUESS WITH, WITH THE CITY'S ALLOWING THIS CONSTRUCTION SOME WAY WITHIN THE CITY, NOT NECESSARILY US, THERE SHOULD BE PROVISIONS TO TAKE CARE OF ISSUES LIKE THAT THAT COME UP. IT SEEMS LIKE, I I THINK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS A LOT OF AUTHORITY WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF LIKE THE, THE POWER LINE AND THE, THE, THE PONDING MS FOUR. I MEAN I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD EARLY ON AND THAT WAS ADDRESSED WAS THERE WERE SOME ISSUES ABOUT PONDING AND GETTING THE POND IN PLACE AND GETTING IT SO THAT IT WAS WORKING PROPERLY. AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE FOUR, UH, NVS AND I BELIEVE THOSE WERE ADDRESSED. THEY WERE ADDRESSED TO THE POINT WHERE MS FOUR, UH, IN THE CITY, UH, WITHDREW THE COMPLAINTS IN FRONT OF THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TABLED UNTIL SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED? ALRIGHT, SO ONE OF THE THING, THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IF THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH OUR ORDINANCE, AND I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION TO PLANNING, IF THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE ORDINANCE, THEN THIS BODY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY IT. AND WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN FRONT OF, UH, A COUPLE OF JUDGES IN THE PAST WHERE THEY WERE COMPLIANT WITH ALL THE ISSUES AND WE VOTED NO. WE GOT, UH, A PETITION TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH JUDGE IT WAS, MAYBE IT WAS JUDGE WILKES. AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS TOLD THEY, IF THEY MEET THESE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, OUR DUTY IS TO PASS IT ON. IF THEY DON'T MEET THESE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, THEN IT'S BASICALLY OUR DUTY TO SAY EITHER NO OR WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL YOU GET IT DONE AND THEN WE WILL APPROVE. SO I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND IF SITE PLAN MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO THE ISSUE IF ANY, IS HAVE THEY BEEN COMPLETELY RESPONSIVE ON THE STORM PART AND THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR JOB. OF COURSE. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT IF THERE ARE ISSUES THEY NEED TO BE RESOLVED, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, YES. OKAY. IT NEEDS TO BE REPORTED TO US AND WE WILL EITHER DIRECT IT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE OR WE WILL LOOK AT IT OURSELVES. OKAY. SO THE, THE PEOPLE THAT MADE COMPLAINTS TONIGHT SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO THE STORM AND, UM, I, YES. I MEAN IS THAT TRUE? YES. UM, SINCE WE KNOW ABOUT IT AND IT WAS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WE WILL FORWARD THEM ON TOMORROW [00:35:02] REGARDLESS. UM, AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE WIRED PLANE, ALL THAT STUFF AS WELL. SO WE WILL LOOK INTO IT. OKAY. SO THAT HOPEFULLY WOULD BE RESOLVED FOR THAT PORTION. OKAY. WHICH IS NOT REALLY PART LIKE RIGHT. CAN'T POINT OUT. IT'S NOT PART OF OUR JOB, BUT UM, IS A LITTLE DISTURBING YOU WHAT YOU SAY. SOMEBODY WON. MAKE A MOTION. WELL WE NEED A MOTION. WE NEED A MOTION AND THEN YOU CAN VOTE HOWEVER, BUT WE GOTTA HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND THEN YOU VOTE. EITHER THAT OR WE SIT HERE AND STARE AT EACH OTHER FOR THE NEXT, LET'S NOT DO THAT. AND WE'RE NOT THAT PRETTY. , LET'S NOT DO THAT. LET'S MOVE, KEEP MOVING PLEASE. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PROJECT 2025 DASH 29 SSP. I HAD A MOTION TO UH, APPROVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? MM-HMM . A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST ONE LAST TIME. SO AS FAR AS THAT CITY'S CONCERNED, THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO APPROVE THIS SITE PLAN? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU . SO, SO THEN CAN WE ASK THAT YOU GUYS BE KIND OF, I GUESS, KIND OF AGGRESSIVE ON MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE ISSUES ARE BEEN RESOLVED? ABSOLUTELY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A A ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. VERY GOOD. OKAY, MOVING ON. SIX B PROJECT NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH THREE NINE DASHS S SP P SITE PLAN. APPROVAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT BUMBLEBEE LANE. UM, AND THIS IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SUBDIVISION CONSISTING OF FOUR SINGLE FAMILY BUT SEMI ATTACHED DWELLINGS AND ONE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN PLEASE. TREVOR LLOYD, MAINLAND ENGINEERING. VERY GOOD. I'M GONNA OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING. ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, UH, OPPOSED TO OR IN FAVOR OF THIS SITE PLAN APPROVAL? PLEASE DO SO NOW, UH, MY NAME IS DEB BURS. I LEAVE AT LIVE AT THREE 10 BUMBLEBEE LANE. UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WANNA BUILD. . ARE THEY DUPLEXES IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA? RESIDE AREA? I DIDN'T THINK DUPLEXES WERE ALLOWED IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AREAS. THE APPLICATION SAYS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, DWELL. DETACHED. WHAT, WHAT DOES SEMI DETEX WITH ATTACHMENT. WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT MEANS THEY'RE GONNA BE DUPLEXES. YEAH. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE DUPLEXES. YES. YEP. AND THEN ONE WOULDN A DETACHED DRAWING AND THEN ONE SINGLE SEMI ATTACHED SEMI, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS ON THE AGENDA. ONE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DRAWING OR SINGLE. WELL, GOOD THING YOU READ . SO WHAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE TWO FAMILY DUPLEX DWELLING IS THEY ARE ON SEPARATE LOTS. SO ONE SIDE WILL BE ONE OWNER, ONE SIDE WILL BE ANOTHER OWNER. SO IT'S KIND OF MORE LIKE A VILLA THAN A DUPLEX ZERO LOT LINE. UH, I DON'T, BASICALLY A ZERO LOT LINE. MM-HMM . SO IT, IT LOOKS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A DUPLEX. YES. BUT THERE ARE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE LOT WHERE ATTACHED AT WHERE, BUT IT'S STILL ATTACHED WALL. WALL YOU CAN OKAY. SEE IT PRETTY GOOD ON THERE. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S STILL ATTACHED. IT'S A DUPLEX. I MEAN YOU CAN CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IT'S REALLY A DUPLEX. OH. WE HAVE DUPLEXES ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN, IN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREAS. SURE, SURE. ABSOLUTELY. IN THE SUBSTITUTE. ABSOLUTELY. HAVE YOU BEEN TO BUMBLEBEE? YOU KNOW WHERE BUMBLEBEE IS? I'VE BEEN TO BUMBLEBEE. . OKAY. YEAH, I'VE SEEN YOU WALKING. UM, AND THE TRAFFIC, IT'S TWO LANES IF YOU PUT THAT WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING IT. OKAY. EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE SCRUNCHED IN AND THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE TERRIBLE. THE ONLY WAY IN THERE IS OFF OF WOODBURY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I KNOW I'M, I'M THE ONLY ONE HERE FROM BUBBLE BE, [00:40:01] I DON'T KNOW WHY , UM, AND I JUST SAW THIS ONLINE, WE DIDN'T GET A LETTER OR ANYTHING, SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A POSTING OF A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE ON THE SITE. IT, THERE WAS ONE THERE, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE READ THAT? MY HUSBAND AND I READ IT, BUT RIGHT. AND I SAW IT ONLINE, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THIS IS, IS THIS A PERMITTED USE OF THIS HEIGHT? YES. UM, SO IF THEY WERE ACTUAL DUPLEXES TO WHERE IT WAS BOTH SIDES ON ONE LOT, IT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE TWO FAMILY DWELLING AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THESE DIFFERENT IS THEY ARE THE SINGLE FAMILY SEMI ATTACHED AND THAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THAT ZONE. RIGHT. SO THIS MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, ON THE PART OF THIS, OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE SITE PLANNING APPROVAL. YES. QUESTIONS. I, I THE LADY THAT MENTIONED THE, THE TRAFFIC, WHICH I WROTE UP TO THE PREVIOUS ONE AND THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN, BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT ONE. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY NEEDS TO LOOK AT TOO, IS THE ACCESS TO THESE PROPERTIES AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO OR WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW. OR BY, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR WHATEVER'S NECESSARY TO, IF THE PER, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS ALLOWED THEN WE SHOULD MAKE THE ACCESS INTO IT AND OUT OF IT AS GOOD AS WE CAN. WHATEVER THAT TAKES, YOU KNOW, WITH UM, IF IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR OR WHATEVER. BUT UH, BUT IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IS PERMITTED, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, OUR HANDS ARE TIED A LITTLE BIT. YES. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS THEN IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. YEAH, , THAT'S THE PROBLEM. STEVE'S NOT . YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT PROJECT 2025 S3 NINE AS SITE PLAN APPROVED BE APPROVED. THAT'S RIGHT. AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL. AND UH, MARTIN IS SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE NO ACTION ITEMS. WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GO? THE ORDER. TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I SO MOVE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.