[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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OKAY.UH, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
COULD WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GARY GIMBAL.
LEGAL COUNSEL FROM BULLS RICE.
UM, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM AND SO
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
GO AHEAD AND PROCEED HERE.UM, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY RECEIVED A COPY OF LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
IN YOUR PACKAGE, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? AND IF NOT, UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH? THERE'S A MOTION.
THERE IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT AS USUAL, I DO READ A VERY BRIEF, UH, INFORMAL STATEMENT REGARDING THE PURPOSE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION.
THIS IS PARAPHRASED FROM THE CITY OF MARTINSBURG ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE 10.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF MARTINS BURG'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT IS TO PROMOTE THE EDUCATIONAL, CULTURAL, ECONOMIC, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE PRESERVATION OF BUILDINGS, SITES, MONUMENTS, STRUCTURES, AND AREAS OF HISTORIC OR ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST OR IMPORTANCE.
IN ADDITION, THE DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO IMPROVE PROPERTY VALUES AND STRENGTHEN THE LOCAL ECONOMY THROUGH PRESERVATION OF THE CITY'S CHARACTER.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION ADMINISTERS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT BY REVIEWING ALL PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION, ALTERATION, AND REPAIR OF STRUCTURES IN THE DISTRICT, INCLUDING PAINTING, MOVING, OR DEMOLITION.
STRUCTURES INCLUDE FENCES, BOUNDARY WALLS, SIGNS, LIGHT FIXTURES, STEPS, AND PAVING.
THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER ALL EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, WHICH INCLUDE THE COLOR, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, GENERAL DESIGN, AND ARRANGEMENT OF THE EXTERIOR OF A STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE TEXTURE OF THE BUILDING, MATERIALS TYPE AND STYLE OF ALL WINDOWS, DOORS, LIGHT FIXTURES, SIGNS, AND OTHER FEATURES.
ALL WORK SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE, HARMONIOUS, AND CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL SCALE, STYLE, AND CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE.
IN ADDITION, THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE WITH ALL OTHERS IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT, SO AS TO AVOID INCONGRUITY AND TO PRESERVE THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN FIND, UH, THE, UH, UNDER ARTICLE 10 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SET ONLINE.
[5. NEW BUSINESS/PUBLIC HEARINGS]
SO AGAIN, NO ONE FINISHED BUSINESS.UH, THE FIRST PROJECT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS 2025 DASH 56 DASH HP, WHICH IS 5 26 WEST KING STREET.
AND IS SOMEONE HERE TO ADDRESS THAT CASE? YES, SIR.
IF YOU WOULD STEP TO THE MICROPHONE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
JUST I NEED TO APPROVE FOR THOSE SIGNS IN THE, IN THE WINDOW FRONT WINDOWS.
UM, WHILE THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS ARE CONSIDERING THIS CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO, TO ADDRESS IT.
YES, I WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
IF YOU WOULD, UH, STEP TO THE MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND, AND GIVE AND, AND YOUR STATEMENT.
I'M KIMBERLY NELSON, 3 74 BOYD AVENUE.
UM, THEY WERE AT ONE TIME BLINKING.
THEY DO CARRY A WHOLE LOT OF ATTENTION.
IT COULD BE A SAFETY THING AS YOU'RE DRIVING AND YOU'RE LIKE LOOKING OVER AT THE BRIGHT LIGHT.
BUT I THINK HAVING HIS NAME ON IT, MUCH LIKE THE OTHER TOBACCO, UM, COMPANY HAS JUST, JUST YOUR NAME ON IT.
YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING GARISH LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CASE? IF NOT, LET ME GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, I KNOW YOU CAME IN A FEW MONTHS AGO AND WANTED AND ASKED FOR APPROVAL AND RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR A WALL SIGN.
AND JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, ARE YOU PLANNING ON YES.
UH, THE, THAT ONE GOT LOST WITH THE UBS, SO WE ORDER ANOTHER ONE, THEY REFUND US THAT WE OPEN CASE AND WE REFUND THAT.
IT SHOULD, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE LIKE A MONTH AND A HALF AGO.
SO YOU DO PLAN TO PUT UP THAT? YEAH, THE, THE SECOND COMES BECAUSE I ALREADY GOT APPROVED FROM YOU GUYS, THEN THE SECOND COMES AND JUST PUT IT RIGHT THERE.
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BE WHERE THE PROGRESSIVE FROM THE WALL PRINTING THAT THE WHITE ONE THAT NOW SAYS PRINTING IT WOULD BE THERE, CALL IT THE OTHER FRONT, ITS THINGY SMOKE SHOP WOULD BE UP TOP.I WAS LOOKING AT THE OTHER, IT WOULD HAVE BOTH.
IT WOULD HAVE THIS AND THOSE IF THEY WERE APPROVED.
UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION IS WE ARE HERE TO APPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF ANY CHANGES, WHICH INCLUDE SIGNS, UH, THAT OCCUR IN THE, UH, PRESERVATION DISTRICT.
AND SO THE, THE QUESTION IS ADDRESSING THE AESTHETICS OF THE PARTICULAR SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
IT'S, UH, LIT, BLINKY LIT THING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS VINYL AT FIRST.
HERE'S THEM OFF AND THEN THEY GOT LIGHTS IN IT.
AND THOSE LIGHTS CAN BE CHA, THE COLORS CAN BE CHANGED.
UM, CAN WE SEE THE PICTURE OF WHAT'S COMING TO THE TOP? YEAH.
UM, ONE OF MY, ONE OF MY COMMENTS IS THIS IS, UM, NEAR THE, BE THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE, UH, PRESERVATION DISTRICT AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN, UH, KING STREET.
UM, AND IT'S NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE, UH, THE MILLS WHICH ARE BEING REHABILITATED MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST WORD, BUT, BUT BEING DEVELOPED IT, I MEAN IT, THAT'S, BUT IT, THIS IS, UM, THE AREA THAT WE'RE HOPING TO, TO GET, UH, YEAH.
AND, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALSO VERY LARGE, VERY LARGE SIGNAGE THERE.
AND AGAIN, WE DID APPROVE THAT, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I BELIEVE.
I, I REALIZE, UM, KIND OF SEEMS LIKE WITH BOTH OF THEM, IT'S A LOT THE SIZE.
UM, I HAD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM EARLIER.
SO THESE SIGNS CAN BE NO MORE THAN 30% OF THE GLASS STOREFRONT.
AND AS HE INDICATED TO ME, THE, THE SIZE OF EACH SIGN IS 12 BY 18, WHICH IT EQUALS OUT TO 30 SQUARE FEET.
SO HE IS UNDER THAT TO HAVE THE WINDOW SIGN.
AND THE ADDITION OF THE WALL MOUNTED SIGN AS WELL.
THE TWO COULD BE TOGETHER, CORRECT? YES.
IF HE WENT OVER THE 30%, IT WOULD BE COUNTED AS A WALL SIGN.
AND YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED ONE UNLESS YOU GO THERE.
SO RIGHT NOW, HE CURRENTLY IS GONNA HAVE ONE WALL SIGN AND THEN THE WINDOW SIGN THAT IS UNDER THE 30%.
SO THEN AGAIN, LET ME JUST SAY THERE'S THE AESTHETICS QUESTION.
UM, IT MEETS THE, THE SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IS THE AESTHETICS CORRECT? NOW? I REALIZE THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS NOT NECESSARILY HISTORIC.
I ALSO REALIZE IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM SEVEN 11.
RIGHT? I MEAN, SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO DOWNTOWN, BASICALLY.
SO DO WE NEED THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IT SEEMS A LITTLE OVERPOWERING TO ME.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH IT.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT A LITTLE BIT, OR AT LEAST PART OF THESE, MAYBE INSIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? LIKE OPEN, LIKE MAYBE OPEN CIGARS AND MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A CRETON IS, BUT
IS IT YEAH, IT'S IS OR IS IT ALL HOOKED TOGETHER? THEY, OR SEPARATE? SO THEY ARE SEPARATE LETTERS.
BUT THEY TOWARD TO MAKE THEM, UH, TO GET THE LIGHT ON, WE HAVE TO, UH, GET THEM TOGETHER WITH THE CONNECTIONS TO PUT THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE THE AREA IS SO DARK AND EVERYBODY DIDN'T NOTICE US.
THEY ASKED LIKE, OH, YOU GUYS ARE HERE STILL OPEN.
THAT'S WHY WE, WE PUT THOSE, THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THERE.
IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, YOU GUYS ASKED ME ABOUT, THERE WAS LIKE A PICTURES BEFORE WAS LIKE, UH, ONE LONG TIME AGO WAS LIKE LIGHTS IN A, LOOKS LIKE HISTORICAL ON THE SIDE, LIKE CARRIAGE LIGHTS ON EITHER SIDE.
AND, UH, THAT WILL HELP A LOT.
THAT'S WHY THOSE FROM THOSE SIDE HELP.
EVEN TODAY, I GOT CUSTOMERS SAYS LIKE, I THOUGHT YOU GUYS IN CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THE STORES, IT'S LIKE SMALL AND DEEP.
UH, WHAT ABOUT A SPOTLIGHT, LIKE UP ON THE ROOF THAT WOULD SHINE DOWN ON YOUR SIGNS? I COULD ASK THE LITTLE,
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BUT I MEAN CLEAR WHITE.CLEAR WHITE LIGHTS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SHOW THAT YOUR NAME.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THAT IT'S JUST OVERPOWERING.
I THINK THAT WAS THE WORD BRANCH USED.
UM, ONCE YOUR SIGN, ONCE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BUSINESS' SIGN IS UP, THAT HAS YOUR NAME ON IT, BIGGIE SMOKE SHOP, WOULD THESE BE NECESSARY? I GUESS I COULD TAKE THE, UH, CRATE DOWN AFTER THAT ONE COMES.
'CAUSE THAT WILL SHOW PEOPLE THAT WE ARE THERE.
MAYBE JUST LEAVE UP THE BUILDINGS SO IT COMES OUT.
BUT THE WHICH IS BEHIND IT IS LIKE WAY FURTHER.
MAYBE LEAVE THE OPEN ON THERE, BUT TAKE THE OTHERS OFF AND MAYBE PUT THEM INSIDE OR SOMETHING.
THERE IS NO AREA TO PUT ASIDE, THERE'S TWO SUNS INSIDE.
THOSE, THOSE TWO DOOR, THEY THEN THOSE TWO, ONLY THE SPACE THERE.
WELL, LIKE YOU COULD PUT SOME LIKE, BUT 'CAUSE THE SIZE IS LIKE 18 BY 12.
UH, IF YOU PUT ONE, ONE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE, YOU COULD READ.
WELL, AND YOUR BIGGIE SMOKE SHOP SIGN, THAT IS GOING TO BE LIT, CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S UH, IT'S THE NORMAL, IT'S THE NORMAL LIGHTS.
UM, I'VE GOT THE OTHER APPLICATION AROUND HERE.
UM, AGAIN, I I, IT SEEMS LIKE I COULD USE THE WORD OVERKILL, BUT OVER, I HAVE THE BIG COMPANY NAME.
A BIG BUSINESS NAME, AND THEN ALL THE, THE PRODUCT NAME BELOW IT.
UM, NO, IT'S, AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BOUNCE THIS OFF.
WHAT ABOUT THE OPTION OF APPROVING THIS UNTIL THE OTHER SIGN GOES? A TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
HAVE YOU EVER GRANTED A TEMPORARY APPROVAL OR A, AN APPROVAL LIMITED IN TIME? NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
I DON'T EVEN, THE SPOTLIGHTS, WE SAID WE WOULD TRY THEM AND SEE HOW IT WORKED.
AND IT WAS THESE SPOTLIGHTS IN THE BACK OF AN APARTMENT BUILDING THAT SOME FOLKS SAID THAT THE LIGHT WAS COMING THE WAY THEY WERE CENSORED, IT WAS GOING INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND KEEP 'EM AWAKE AT NIGHT.
WE DID A KIND OF A DELAYED, LET'S WAIT, LET'S SEE HOW THIS GOES ON THE TEMPORARY, UH, THE, THE LIGHTS IS, THEY'RE NOT THAT BRIGHT TO GO IN ANYBODY HOUSES.
IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS BEST BY DRIVING THERE.
AND THEN AT NIGHT, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD NOTICE IT AT NIGHT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH TO NOTICE.
BUT, UH, IT IS NOT A BIG, LIKE, IT'S AMAZON PRODUCTS.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH BIG, BIG FLASHY, BUT YOUR BIGGIES, YOUR BIGGIE SIGN WILL BE LIT FROM BEHIND.
I MEAN, IT'LL BE FROM INSIDE IT, FROM INSIDE THE, BECAUSE HIS LADDER IS RIGHT.
I DIDN'T SEE IT YET, BUT I, I HOPE IT IS.
SO, UM, AS AGAIN, THIS COMMISSION ADDRESSES THE AESTHETICS, UM, AND WE BASICALLY, THE DECISION IS, ARE THE AESTHETICS.
IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE TWO SIGNS TOO MUCH? IS IT TOO OVERPOWERING? AGAIN, I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH.
I THINK IF WE COULD DO A TEMPORARY, UM, DO THIS TEMPORARILY UNTIL THE, THE, JUST SO THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
I I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU PUT THAT UP BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A SIGN.
YOU DIDN'T A SIGN AND YOU WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW YOU'RE THERE.
KNOW WHERE I'M, UM, BUT NOW WHEN YOU GET YOUR BUSINESS SIGN UP, THEN IT WOULD NO LONGER BE AS NECESS NOT AS NECESSARY TO HAVE NOT ALL OF THEM.
I COULD, I COULD TAKE A COUPLE OF THEM OUT.
ONCE, BECAUSE EVEN IF IT'S A, IT'S NOT A LOT OF STORAGE FRONT.
SO IF IT'S COMES DOWN, IF IT'S, EVEN IF IT'S GONNA BE RIDICULOUS LOOKING, THEN IT'S NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS ALSO.
BUT YEAH, I, I THINK THAT WITH THE BIGGIE SIGN, ONCE THE BIGGIE SIGN COMES IN, THEN TAKE DOWN EVERYTHING EXCEPT OPEN.
WELL, IF IT'S ON AT NIGHT, ARE YOU OPEN AT NIGHT? WE DO OPEN UNTIL 11 OR 11.
SO SO IT'D BE ON TO 11 O'CLOCK AND THEN IT WOULD BE OFF.
AND BY THE WAY, ONE OF MY, UH, YEAH, ONE OF MY PET PIECES, WHEN PEOPLE PAINT OPEN ON THE, ON THEIR WINDOW, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AT MIDNIGHT IT'S NOT OPEN'S ALWAYS THEY, SO, UH, BUT, UH, THESE ARE LIT AND SO, OKAY.
SO, SO IT COULD BE TURNED OFF AND ABOVE SHOULD BE, SHOULD WE SPLIT THE MOTION TO CONSIDER OPEN BY ITSELF AND THEN THE PRODUCT SIGNS SEPARATELY? UM, YES.
NOW ARE ARE, I WAS SPLITTING THIS, I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ABOUT PUTTING A TEMPORARY MM-HMM
AND I MEAN, LEAVE ALL THAT UP FOR NOW
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UNTIL THE BIGGIE SIGN COMES IN.I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT HE WANTS HIS CUSTOMERS TO KNOW, OR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS IS OPEN AND THAT THESE ARE THE PRODUCTS THAT WE'RE SELLING.
AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW YOU'RE OPEN TOO.
UM, BUT AS SOON AS THE BIGGIE SIGN COMES IN.
WELL, BECAUSE PRESUMABLY THAT'S GONNA SAY SMOKE SHOP AND STUFF REAL BIG.
PRESUMABLY THERE WOULD STILL BE A NEED FOR AN OPEN SIGN.
POSSIBLY NOT THE PRODUCT SIGNS.
SO WE COULD, WE COULD TIE THE OPEN SIGN EVEN BY ITSELF TO OVERPOWERING.
I THINK IF IT'S TURNED OFF AT 11, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY.
IT ISN'T A BRIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF STREET LIGHTS.
IT'S THAT RIGHT IN THAT CORNER.
STEVE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? SURE.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE OPEN SIGN AS PRESENTED HERE.
WE'LL TREAT THE, YEAH, WE'LL TREAT THEM SEPARATE.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO, LET ME STOP, I INTERRUPT.
DO WE TEMPORARILY, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT APPROVING ALL THE SIGNS TEMPORARILY UNTIL THE BIGGIE SIGN COMES UP AND THEN WHEN THE BIGGIE SIGNS COMES UP, JUST APPROVE THE OPENING? YOU FOLLOWING THE HOW? I'M TRYING TO BREAK THAT APART.
CAN I MAKE ONE NOTE ABOUT THAT? SURE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE DONE A TEMPORAL SOLUTION BEFORE LIKE THIS.
UH, THE ISSUE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OWNER, THE RENTER HAS RUN INTO IS THAT YOUR SIGN WAS DELAYED AND ARRIVAL.
GOT OBVIOUSLY THE TRACK AND GOT ALL THE WAY TO BALTIMORE, THEN THE MISSING OKAY.
AND YOU'VE ALREADY PLACED THE ORDER AGAIN.
DO YOU EXPECT, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT SIGN TO ARRIVE? I HAVE NO IDEA.
I'M JUST TRACKING IT UNTIL IT COMES.
SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU EITHER SET THE SOLUTION OUT WHERE YOU KIND OF CHECK IN EVERY SO OFTEN, PERIODICALLY JUST TO SEE IF THE SIGN, YOU HAVE A, A SET DATE FOR INSTANCE.
THAT WAY IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE SETTING OUT TO THE ABSTRACT DATE OF WHEN THE SIGN ARRIVES, WHICH JUST SOUNDS LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ISSUES PREVIOUSLY, IT MIGHT BE BEST TO SET IT OUT TO A TIME WHERE YOU'RE CHECKING IN WITH THE STORE OWNER.
IT MAY BE SOMETHING LIKE 60 DAYS AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE MEETING TO SEE IF JUST AS A FOLLOW UP.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THE STREETLIGHT THINGS.
SO I'LL TEMPORARILY, TEMPORARILY RETRACT THE, THE MOTION.
BUT, UM, I GUESS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IF WE'RE, WE'RE MOSTLY OKAY WITH THE OPEN SIGN, I'D RATHER GET THAT QUESTION SETTLED AND THEN THE PRODUCTS BE THE ONE THAT WE CHECK IN.
SO YEAH, GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR MOTION.
THAT WAY HE GETS AN ANSWER FOR THE OPEN SIGN TODAY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE OPEN SIGN PORTION OF THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TEMPORARILY APPROVE THE PRODUCT SIGNS, CIGARS, CRETO, AND VAPE FOR A PERIOD OF 60 DAYS WITH PERIODIC CHECK-INS.
UH, DEPENDENT UPON THE RECEIPT OF THE OVERALL BUSINESS SIGNAGE.
YOU FOLLOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING? WHAT WE, WHAT WE APPROVED.
I THINK 60 DAYS SHOULD BE LIKE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO DELIVER.
AND IF IT IS, IF IT'S NOT HERE BY THEN WE GET TO EXTEND IT.
WE, WE WANTED TO PUT A DEADLINE OUT THERE SO IT'S NOT JUST OPEN ENDED.
THAT WE, THAT'S, WE REALIZE THAT'S OUT OF YOUR HANDS.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION OR FOR THE CITY STAFF? NO, I GUESS I'LL FOLLOW ONE ONCE IT COMES, THEN WELL, I'LL COME AND SHOW THEM.
I'LL TAKE PICTURES AND GIVE THEM TO 'EM TO SEE.
AND THERE'LL BE, AND, AND I'M, I HOPE I'M SPEAKING OUTTA LINE.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL CHARGES FOR THIS.
YOU'VE ALREADY APPLIED FOR THE, YOU'VE ALREADY MADE YOUR APPLICATION AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST.
SO DID YOU GUYS WANT ME TO PUT HIM ON FOR THE SEPTEMBER'S MEETING TO WHERE HE COMES BACK AS A 60 DAY CHECK IN? MM-HMM
I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE THAT, AND YOU CAN TELL US WHERE, WHERE YOUR SIGN MIGHT BE.
AND LET ME ASK, DOES THAT REQUIRE A MOTION TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA? NO, I, IT WAS JUST A CLARIFICATION THAT I, OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THE TOPIC.
DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO PUT LIGHTS WHERE THERE WERE LIGHTS BEFORE? OR SHOULD I DO APPLICATION AGAIN? OR SINCE IT DARK, THAT, THAT AREA, IT'S VERY DARK.
LIKE I WOULD SAY LIKE A HUNDRED YARD, LIKE BOTH AREA IS VERY, VERY DARK.
AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT SECURITY IN THAT AREA.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO PUT LIGHTS UP, I THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO COME AGAIN,
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BUT ANOTHER REQUEST IN YEAH.I DON'T, I GUESS THEY WERE JUST KIND OF HUNG OVER THE FRONT OR SOMETHING, BUT THEY'RE GONE NOW, SO IT DOESN'T THEY WERE ON TWO BY FOURS.
THEY JUST KIND OF PERCHED OVER.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT LIGHTS, WHICH IS NOT A ISSUE NECESSARILY, BUT YOU WOULD NEED TO, TO DO A NEW APPLICATION FOR JUST THE LIGHTS WITH PICTURES OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, LIKE YEAH.
SORT OF LIKE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS, SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET FROM THE MANUFACTURER OR SOMETHING THAT THESE ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE CARRIAGE LIGHTS OR THESE ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE CIRCLES.
YEAH, I WAS THINKING SOME FROM HOME DEPOTS ON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN AND BEST OF LUCK WITH BUSINESS.
UM, THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS PROJECT 20 25 57 HP, WHICH IS 3 79 BOYD AVENUE.
IS SOMEONE HERE TO PRESENT THAT CASE? WE CALLED AND LEFT A MESSAGE.
WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING BACK, SO, OKAY.
UM, AT THIS POINT I'LL GO AHEAD AND WE'LL KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA AND SEE IF IT COMES UP AT THE END OF THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO THEN THE, UH, THE THIRD CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS 2025 DASH 58 DASH HP, WHICH IS 100 NORTH QUEEN STREET.
IF YOU'D STATE TO, UH, STEP TO THE MICROPHONE AND PLEASE STATE WHAT YOU'D, UH, LIKE TO DO.
HI, I AM MATTHEW GROVE WITH GROVE AND AL ARCHITECTS.
HOW ARE YOU ALL? GREAT, THANKS.
UM, YEAH, SO I GUESS WE CAME BACK, UH, BEFORE YOU A COUPLE MONTHS AGO TO PRESENT THE EXTERIOR RENOVATION.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYTHING TOGETHER ON SIGNAGE.
SO, UM, WE GOT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE ASCEND FOLKS AND, UH, AND HABANEROS.
AND, UH, WE NOW HAVE, UH, A CONCEPT.
AND THE CONCEPT IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, GOING WITH A, UH, A LIGHT COLORED AWNING, UH, FOR THE OLD CITY HALL.
AND, UH, AND PRESENTLY WE JUST HAVE THE LOGO FOR ASCEND FOR, UH, THE ENTRANCE DOORWAY, WHICH IS THE DOORWAY IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THAT ELEVATION.
THE, UH, OTHER TENANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS YET, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH THEIR ARTWORK FOR SIGNAGE FOR THAT BUILDING.
UM, ASCEND ALSO WANTS TO HAVE A LITTLE, UH, SIGN ON THE GLASS.
IT WOULD BE LIKE A VINYL, UH, SIGN APPLIED TO THE GLASS DOOR, UM, FOR, FOR, UH, FOR THEM.
AND THEN THE DOOR NEXT TO THAT DOOR IN WHAT'S ACTUALLY THE MARKET HOUSE IS, UH, IS REALLY, IT'S A GOTHIC DOOR AND IT'S A, IT IS A PAIR OF DOORS THAT ARE RATHER NARROW AND THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE THERE FOR EXITING ONLY.
UM, BUT WE ARE CALLING FOR, UH, THEIR LOGO TO BE ON THAT, UH, WHICH IS SORT OF A BLACK, UH, COLORED, UH, UMBRELLA FABRIC.
AND SO ALL THE, ALL THE AWNINGS FOR THE MARKET HOUSE SORT OF BE BLACK.
AND THEN WE HAVE A LOGO, WHICH IS IN A LIGHT COLOR THAT'S, UH, UH, SCREENED ONTO THAT FABRIC.
UM, THE THEME WITH HABB AND ARROWS IS, AND, AND REALLY JUST THE MARKET HOUSES TO APPLY IMAGES OF FRESH VEGETABLES ON THE LOWER SECTION OF THE AWNING, UM, JUST TO, UH, UH, UH, TIP THE HAT TO THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A MARKET HOUSE WHERE FARMERS BROUGHT PRODUCE IN AND SOLD THEM.
AND, UH, THESE ROMAN ARCHES WERE OPENED AT ONE TIME IN OPEN AIR TO THE INTERIOR.
UM, SO WE'VE DOCUMENTED THE QUANTITY OF SIGNAGE ON EACH ONE OF THESE BAYS, AND IT ADDS UP TO LESS THAN THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU HAVE PER LINEAR FOOT, FEET OF STOREFRONT ALL, WELL, I GUESS BUILDING FRONTAGE IS HOW YOUR CODE'S WRITTEN.
SO, UM, AND I GUESS WE'RE NOT REALLY COUNTING ANY EXISTING SIGNAGE.
THERE'S THAT MURAL THAT WAS DONE, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY SIGNAGE FOR, UH, THE BUSINESS.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ADDING THAT IN.
UM, SO I BROUGHT SOME UMBRELLA FABRIC BOOK, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST USING OYSTER AND BLACK, SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO SEE IN THIS UMBRELLA BOOK.
IT'S GONNA BE GOOD QUALITY FABRIC THOUGH.
AND WE'RE REUSING THE, UH, EXISTING HARDWARE THAT'S THERE THAT WAS PUT UP.
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WE'RE ADDING, WHERE WE'RE ADDING NEW AWNINGS COURSE, WE HAVE, UM, NEW ARMATURES GOING IN, AND ALL THE METAL PARTS ARE GONNA BE PAINTED BLACK THAT ARE CURRENTLY WHITE, I THINK.AND, UH, I THINK THEY'LL LOOK A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, AND THE NEW ONES WILL BE BLACK.
ALSO, THERE IS A SIGN ON QUEEN STREET ABOVE THE EXIT DOORS ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, THAT'S JUST GONNA BE A, UH, A PAINTED, UH, PAINTED WOODEN SIGN FOR ASCEND.
AND, UH, WE'RE PUTTING THAT UP JUST SO THEY HAVE SOME, THERE'S SOME RECOGNITION OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE OCCUPYING THE ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, AND THAT DOOR DOWN ON QUEEN STREET, OR SORRY, UH, YEAH, QUEEN STREET IS AN EXIT FOR THEIR SPACE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT.
HOBAN AIRS HAS THEIR LOGO, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY COOL, AND THAT'S GONNA BE, WOULD BE SCREENED ONTO THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE.
UM, AWNING MATTHEW, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, JUST A COUPLE, A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, ADDING AWNINGS TO THE OLD CITY HALL BUILDING, BOTH SECOND FLOOR THREE, AND THEN GROUND FLOOR THREE.
AND THE SECOND REASON FOR THE SECOND FLOOR IS JUST TO HELP WITH THE CUT DOWN THE SOLAR GAIN.
AND THE ONES ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE, UM, I BELIEVE THOSE ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE OPERABLE, BUT THEY MOST LIKELY WILL BE THE ONE ON THE SECOND WILL BE FIXED.
THE ONES ON THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE FIXED, ONES ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE OPERABLE.
TO MATCH THE OTHERS ON THE MARKET HOUSE.
UM, I, ALONG THAT LINE, I ALSO WANTED, AND IT COULD BE JUST BECAUSE IT, IT MIGHT BE SOME OLDER GRAPHICS.
THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS ON THE SIGN AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE WAS PREFERRED.
WE, YEAH, WE USUALLY LIKE TO SAY, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? AND THEN WE WOULD SAY, YEAH, YEAH, YOUR NAME IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ME.
UH, YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO ALTERNATES, RIGHT.
THE TRESCO LINEN AND THE PARCHMENT AND WHAT, UM, OH, OKAY.
SO ARE THOSE, ARE THESE ALL, UH, IS, IS THE ONE ON THE, ARE THERE 3 1, 2, 3, OR IS IT JUST ONE, TWO? THE, UM, THE ONES THAT ARE RENDERED ON THE ELEVATION ACTUALLY IS THE OYSTER.
AND THAT'S THE ONE, THAT'S THE PREFERENCE.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S SUBMITTED TO YOU GUYS.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE, THE COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTOOD WHICH ONE.
AND I DO HAVE THE TRESCO LINEN, THE PARCHMENT FABRICS IF YOU GUYS WANNA SEE THEM.
UM, BUT THE, UM, THE OYSTER IS JUST KIND OF LIKE WHAT I THINK OF AS THE DUCK, UH, COLORED FABRIC.
UM, JUST SORT OF CLASSIC CANVAS COLOR AND KIND OF TIMELESS LOOKING WITH THE WHITE PRINT, IS THAT THE ONE WITH THE WHITE PRINT Y UH, NO, THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE DARK GRAY PRINT.
THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE BUILDING.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE ONE, YEAH.
THE BLACK ONE CANVAS WOULD HAVE THE LIGHT PRINT ON IT.
AND THEN ANOTHER CLARIFICATION, AND I THINK THIS IS JUST 'CAUSE OF THE WAY THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER.
WE HAVE THIS GRAPHIC THAT HAS THE, UH, THE LOGO ABOVE THE, THE RESTAURANT NAME, BUT THEN ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE, IT'S THE OPPOSITE, WHICH I THINK IT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE.
ON THE, UH, OH, ON, ON THIS ONE, IT HAS THE LITTLE, LITTLE SKULLS RIGHT ON TOP WITH, WITH, ON THE, ON THE LITTLE BORDER, UH, THE RESTAURANT NAME.
BUT THEN ON THE RIGHT BEHIND THE NEXT PAGE, PAGE FOUR, NUMBER FOUR, FOUR.
OH, THAT WAS, YEAH, WE JUST COULDN'T SEPARATE THEIR LOGO.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GUESSING.
BUT I WANT, AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION, SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HOW IT APPEARS ON THE ELEVATION IS CORRECT.
UM, NO NEED TO REPEAT HABANEROS TOWARDS
BUT THERE, ON THE NOTICE ON BURKE STREET, THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND INTO ONE MORE BAY, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE HAEN ARROWS ON THAT ONE.
DETAILS AREN'T TOTALLY WORKED OUT YET, SO IT MAY REMAIN BLANK OR IT MAY BE HAEN ARROWS IF THEY WORK IT OUT.
SO I WENT AHEAD AND SUBMITTED IT TO YOU GUYS THIS WAY.
ONE, UH, ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.
I NOTICED YOU SAY SCRAPE AND PAINT THE CORNICE.
IS THAT GOING TO BE A COLOR TO MATCH THE OYSTER, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE WHITE THAT YOU PAINT? UH, THE CORN IS OLD CITY HALL.
YEAH, SORRY, OLD CITY HALL, I SHOULD SAY.
YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, A WHITE, AND IT'S USING THIS, UH, UH, INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PAINT, SAME PAINT PRODUCT WE'RE USING ON THE CUPOLA.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S NOT WHITE, IT'S AN OFFWHITE,
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IT'S AN OFF WHITE.UM, BY THE WAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS CASE.
AND IF NO ONE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING.
AND AGAIN, AS I, AS I DID A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, I DO WANT ATTENTION TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE AESTHETICS OF THE CASE.
UM, IT STILL HAS TO MEET ALL THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE'RE JUST ADDRESSING THE AESTHETICS.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO, AND IT CAN, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SEPARATE MOTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
THERE'S AWNINGS WHERE, UH, THERE'S AWNINGS TO BE ADDED, AND THEN THERE ARE A WALL MOUNTED SIGN TO BE ADDED.
AND THEN THERE'S GRAPHICS ON THE AWNINGS.
SO LIKE THREE, THE KIND OF LIKE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
THEY JUST, ADDING THE AWNINGS IS ONE THING.
ADDING THE WALL SIGN IS ANOTHER THING.
AND THEN HAVING THE GRAPHICS ON THE AWNINGS.
NOW, I WILL MENTION ALREADY JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, UM, ASCEND IS HAVING ONCE THE TWO DIFFERENT AWNINGS WITH THEIR NAME ON IT, THE LOGO ON IT, AND ALSO IT APPEARS TO HAVE A SIGN ON THE, ON THE DOOR, ON THE EXIT DOOR ON BURKE STREET, UH, THE, THE ENTRANCE DOOR, UH, THAT'S THE ENTRANCE DOOR.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE ONE ON THE, ON THE MARKET HOUSE NEXT TO IT.
THERE'LL BE, UH, YEAH, THERE'LL BE AN INTERCOM SYSTEM ON THAT DOOR ON BURKE STREET.
AND, UH, YEAH, SO THE ADDED SIGN ON THE GLASS IS JUST AGAIN, TO DRAW PEOPLE TO THAT DOOR.
AND I WOULD JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE, THE NUMBER OF SIGNS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, SO THERE WOULD BE A TWO AWNING SIGNS, A DOOR SIGN, AND THEN A WALL SIGN ON QUEEN STREET.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST ADDRESSING THE AESTHETICS, NOT THE QUANTITY OF SIGNS, BUT I'M BRINGING, BRING THIS UP.
UM, ALSO, UH, EROS HAS TWO WINDOW SIGNS CURRENTLY, AND YEAH, I'M JUST, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALREADY EXISTING SIGNS.
I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.
AGAIN, WE ARE JUST ADDRESSING THE AESTHETICS THAT ARE GOING ON.
SO, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT ON MY CLASS? MY CLARIFICATIONS? ARE THOSE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.
WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN THE SIGN PERMIT.
IF THERE'S MORE SIGNS THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED, THEY WOULD NEED TO GO FOR A VARIANCE OR SHRINK DOWN THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY COMMENTS? I'M CONFUSED, BUT MAYBE.
ARE WE CHOOSING BLACK OR OYSTER OR THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CHOSEN OR ARE THERE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS? YEAH, TWO DIFFERENT COLORS.
JUST BECAUSE WE WANTED TO, TO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS, DIFFERENT HISTORIES.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME INFORMATION PANELS INSIDE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS CITY HALL AT ONE TIME BEFORE THE OLD Y WAS CITY HALL.
AND, UH, AND THE MARKET HOUSE HAS A RICH HISTORY TOO, BUT THEY'RE REALLY TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
AND, UH, SO THE COLOR OF THE AWNING, WE THOUGHT IF WE RAN THE MALL, THE SAME COLOR PEOPLE, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE ALL, IT'S ONE.
SO HABANERO IS BLACK AND THEN ASCEND IS OYSTER.
'CAUSE ASCEND STRADDLES BOTH BUILDINGS.
THAT'S THE THING IS THE UPSTAIRS.
ON IN COLOR IS RELATED TO THE BUILDING, NOT SO MUCH THE BUSINESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IF NOT, DO I HEAR A MOTION? AND IT CAN BE ONE MOTION OR IF YOU WANNA BREAK IT UP APART? IT DOES, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER WHEN WE BREAK 'EM APART, SO THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE CLEARER.
ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? JUST DO A MOTION TO APPROVE IT ALL?
I'VE ALREADY FORGOTTEN ALL THE POINTS.
NOT REALLY FORGOTTEN, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I, I THINK, I THINK IT ALL LOOKS VERY TASTEFUL.
AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S, UM, I THINK THEY PUT A LOT OF SALT INTO IT, RIGHT? I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT DO YOU WANT THREE OR TWO
SO I PROPOSE WE ACCEPT ALL OF IT.
THANKS FOR, YEAH, THANKS FOR COMING IN.
AND BY THE WAY, LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
IT'S, UH, YEAH, IT'S LOOKING GOOD SO FAR.
THANKS FOR, WAIT, DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A END DAY? A TARGET?
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UH, UM, IT'S GONNA BEFORE CHRISTMAS.THEY FINALLY GOT THE NEW ROOF ON UPSTAIRS.
THEY HAD A COUPLE WASHOUTS DURING THOSE RAINSTORMS. REALLY? IT'S, IT'S BEEN SO HOT.
BUT, UM, IT'S COMING TOGETHER.
UM, THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
SO DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.