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IT'S, UH, SIX 30.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.AND IF WE COULD HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
UH, SO, UM, UH, EVERYONE HAS, UH, RECEIVED
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
A COPY OF LAST MONTH'S MINUTES IN YOUR PACKAGE, ARE THERE ANY, UM, COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? IF NOT, DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.THERE IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE FIRST, UM, ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS, WHICH
[5. NEW BUSINESS/PUBLIC HEARINGS]
IS PROJECT 2025 DASH 54 DASH HP, WHICH IS 3 0 5 NORTH QUEEN STREET.UH, SOMEONE HERE TO ADDRESS THAT CASE? UH, YES SIR.
IF YOU WOULD STEP TO THE MICROPHONE AND SAY WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
WE BASICALLY, UH, A NEW MANAGEMENT IN THAT STORE AND WE JUST, UH, DECIDE TO, JUST TO REPAINT THE, THE SHOP.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANY JOB TO, IT, JUST WE CHANGING THE LOOKS FROM OUR SIDE AND THAT'S ALL ABOUT IT.
UM, WHILE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE CONSIDERING THIS CASE, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS CASE.
AND IF NOBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE THERE'S, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO SHADES OF GRAY, A LOWER SHADE, AND THEN AN UPPER SHADE.
THE UPPER SHADE WOULD BE WHAT'S PAINTED YELLOW NOW.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE LIGHTER SHADE.
AND THEN WHAT'S BLUE NOW IS GONNA BE THE LIGHTER SHADE.
JUST AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A WELCOME CHANGE.
I REMEMBER WHEN BUZZ CAME IN TO APPROVE THE, THE OLD BLUE AND GOLD.
IF THERE'S NO MOTION, THERE'S A NICE EXAMPLE.
UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS PRE SECOND.
UH, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS 2025 DASH 53 DASH HP, WHICH IS 1 0 5 WEST JOHN STREET.
IF YOU WOULD STEP TO THE MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
MY NAME IS BRENT, FIGHT WITH BUSHY FIGHT MOORE ARCHITECTS HAGERSTOWN, MARYLAND.
AND WE'RE THE ARCHITECTS FOR THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AT, UH, 1 0 5, UH, WEST JOHN STREET.
UH, WE HAVE DONE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THAT PROJECT AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE SEVERAL PHASES OF CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR PRESENTLY.
THERE'S CDBG MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE, UH, TO CONSTRUCT AN ELEVATOR AND MAKE THE, UH, EXISTING FACILITY ACCESSIBLE.
AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AT THIS TIME IS THAT THE ELEVATOR WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE, OR INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH FACE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
THE FUTURE ADDITION WOULD ENCOMPASS THE, THE ELEVATOR IN THE FUTURE AND, UH, RETAIN THE REST OF THE LOT, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO DOING THE ELEVATOR, THERE ARE, UH, TWO OPTIONS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
THE FIRST OPTION WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO REMAIN BRENT, EXCUSE ME IF I COULD.
UM, WHY DON'T YOU JUST PRESENT WHAT THE PREFERRED OPTION OKAY.
TO US, I, I, I, I READ THE, THE OPTIONS AND OKAY.
THE PREFERRED AND, AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED FROM THERE.
THE PREFERRED OPTION WOULD BE TO, WELL, IT'LL BE A CONCRETE BLOCK, UH, SHAFT.
THE PREFERRED OPTION WOULD BE TO SKIN THAT WITH A METAL SIDING THAT WOULD MATCH THE SAME COLOR AS THE EXISTING BRICK SO THAT WHEN WE BUILD THE ADDITION, WE CAN TAKE THE SKIN OFF, THE METAL SKIN OFF AND, UH, PUT FINISHES TO THE CONCRETE BLOCK RATHER THAN SPEND THE MONEY FOR BRICK.
AND, AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, AND IT MAY ALL BE RELATED TO MONEY, ANY IDEA WHEN THE, THE GYMNASIUM WOULD BE ADDED? UH, THAT YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, YEAH.
WHENEVER THEY HAVE THEM FUNDS AVAILABLE.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, OF RAISING THE FUNDS NOW.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO ABOUT HALFWAY THERE.
SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A 14 MILLION PROJECT, I THINK.
AND THE MAIN REASON I'M ASKING IS THIS IS THE SKINNING IT NOW WITH METAL IS, IS A SEMI TEMPORARY CORRECT POSITION, SO THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHY I, I ASK ABOUT THE PREFERRED OPTION FIRST.
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ADDITION COMES, YOU'LL NEVER SEE THE SHAFT.AND THEN YOU ALSO HAD A SECOND ITEM ON THE REQUEST.
UH, AS I, TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PRE COVID, UH, THIS COUNCIL HAD GIVEN APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE BALCONIES AND WE JUST WANTED TO GET THE PAPERWORK, UH, BROUGHT UP TO DATE AND REQUEST THE REMOVAL OF THOSE BALCONIES.
UM, AND LET ME JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
I WENT THROUGH THE, THE PAPERWORK, UM, WHEN THE BALCONIES AND THE BALCONY ROOFS, IF WHEN THEY'RE REMOVED, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? WHAT, WHAT? WELL, WE, UH, ONCE THE BALCONIES ARE REMOVED, WE'D MAKE THE PATCH AND REPAIRS THAT, UH, THAT WILL BE REQUIRED WHEN THE FUTURE EDITION COMES IN, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE PRESENTLY BOARDED UP ARE GOING TO BECOME GLAZED AND THERE'LL BE A ALUMINUM STOREFRONT.
AND THEN WE WANT TO OPEN UP THE EXTERIOR INTO THE INTERIOR WHERE THE, THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM IS UP ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
SO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WHAT IS BOARDED UP? SOUNDS TERRIBLE, BUT WHAT IS BOARDED UP NOW WOULD BE OPENED UP IN CORRECT.
IN GLAZING PLACE, IN ITS PLACE.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WHILE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE CONSIDERING THIS CASE, I DO WANNA OPEN IT UP TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS CASE.
AND IF NO ONE WANTS TO ADDRESS IT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING.
DO WE NEED THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE APPLICATION? YEAH, IT'S, UM, YEAH, WE HAD TO LOOK THROUGH THE BLUEPRINTS.
THEY'RE ALSO KIND OF
I, UH, WAS THIS A MILL BUILDING AT ONE POINT IN TIME? I'M SORRY? WAS THIS ONE OF THE MILL BUILDINGS AT ONE OF NO, IT JUST HAS THAT INDUSTRIAL, IT WAS THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD.
IF I MAY ADD, IT'S ALSO, IT WAS A CAR DEALERSHIP AT ONE TIME.
SO I'VE JUST HEARD PEOPLE CALL IT THE ARMORY BEFORE.
I'VE HEARD IT CALLED THE ARMORY.
BUT ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND AGAIN, IT'S IN TWO PARTS AND SO IT CAN BE ADDRESSED SEPARATELY IF, IF SO NEEDED.
THERE'S NO COMMENTS, NO QUESTIONS.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
AND FOR BOTH, UH, UH, REQUEST? YES.
AS, AS AS THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND OPTION ONE.
AND THAT WASN'T PREFERRED OPTION WITH THE MEDAL PREFERRED OPTION.
AND BEST, BEST OF LUCK, UM, AGENDA HERE.
THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS, BUT THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S
[7. DISCUSSION/ACTION ITEMS]
AGENDA.UM, BOTH OF THESE ARE RELATED TO DEMOLITION REQUESTS.
SO THIS KYLE, DOES STAFF WANT TO PRESENT THIS, UM, OR
HE DEEMED THAT THEY'RE NOT STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND THEY DO NEED TO BE REMOVED AND HE HAS SENT OUT LETTERS, WHICH IS, IS IN THE APPLICATION.
UM, AND SO FAR, UH, THE ONLY ONE WE GOT A RESPONSE TO WAS TWO 14 WEST RACE.
THEY WANTED TO DEMO IT THEMSELVES, BUT HAVE YET TO SUPPORT MUCH PAPERWORK.
UM, THEY DID TURN IN AN APPLICATION, BUT I THINK IT WAS SHORT A FEW THINGS.
AND WHEN WE REQUESTED MORE INFORMATION, WE JUST DIDN'T GET IT.
AND OF COURSE, THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAD COME BEFORE US AND WE HAD WANTED TO WORK WITH THEM OR WORK WITH THEIR ARCHITECTS TO AT LEAST TRY TO RETAIN OR HAVE A FACADE THAT WOULD MATCH WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE.
AND THEN THEY, IT WAS ON THE AGENDA, I THINK TO FOR TWO MEETINGS AND THEN THEY WITHDREW IT.
JUST, AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT, UM, AND I'M, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT THE THING IS A, UH, IT'S HAZARDOUS AND, AND IS IN NEED OF ATTENTION, BUT, UH, THAT ONE TROUBLES ME BECAUSE WE, WE DID KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE PUT
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A STOP TO IT, BUT WE WANTED TO WORK WITH THEM.AND, UH, 3 24 AND A HALF, IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER ONE.
UM, AND IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S BEEN ABANDONED AND IT'S, IT LOOKS, IT'S ROUGH.
THIS IS, UH, ONE OF, THERE'S ONE OF SEVEN, THERE'S SEVEN ON THE WAY.
THERE'S SEVEN, BUT, UH, ONLY TWO WERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND AGAIN, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE, HOW CAN I SAY THIS? AND, AND I, THIS IS REALLY FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE NO VETO POWER ON THIS.
I MEAN, THIS IS NO SAD TO SAY THIS IS RIGHT.
MORE OR LESS SAD TO SAY, JUST US SHARING INFORMATION, SAYING, HEY, LOOK.
I KNOW ESPECIALLY WITH TWO 14.
SO, WELL, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
SO IF, IF THEY DO DEMO THEMSELVES, THEY STILL HAVE TO COME IN FOR AN APPLICATION FOR THAT, RIGHT? OR BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SERVED THIS NOTICE? THEY DON'T, NO.
UM, IF THE CITY DOES IT, THEN NO, THERE'S NO NOTICE.
BUT, UM, THEY DID TURN, THAT WAS THE APPLICATION I MEANT.
THEY DID TURN IN AN HPRC APPLICATION, BUT I'VE MEMORY SERVES.
THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR IT AND THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE MORE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT WE REQUIRED.
SO IT, THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITH DEMOING THESE AS NOTHING WAS.
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE, IF IT WAS AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.
IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY CALLED AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA KNOCK IT DOWN OURSELVES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION OR
I THINK IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE.
YEAH, I MEAN THE, IT, IT'S, I KNOW THEY, THE GEAR'S TURNING AND THIS OKAY.
THEY HAD TO THE 23RD OF MAY OKAY.
GET SOMETHING IN PLACE SAYING, HEY, I'M GONNA DO THIS IN WRITING.
AND, UH OH, AND SO, AND THEY HAVEN'T FILED AN APPEAL.
WHICH MEANS NOW IT'S, IT'S IN THE CITY'S HANDS.
WELL, THEY DIDN'T FILE AN APPEAL.
THEY DID TURN IN AN HPRC APPLICATION, BUT IT JUST NEVER OH, A NEW HPRC.
NO, BUT THEY HAVEN'T PAID FOR IT AND THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T GET ON AN AGENDA AND SO NOPE.
SO THIS, THIS, IT'S, THE CITY WILL DEMO IT AND PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY AND CORRECT.
AND THEY CANNOT BUILD OR SELL UNTIL THAT LIEN IS SATISFIED.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO TO THAT END, DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF INITIATIVE TO LIKE DOCUMENT THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE HERE, LIKE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OR SOMETHING? UH, OTHER THAN IT BEING ON THE AGENDAS.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, YOU CAN HAVE DIRECT KYLE TO GO TAKE PICTURES OF THIS CAMERA.
BUT THAT COULD BE A MITIGATING THING WHERE YOU, YOU DO END UP WITH A GAP IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO SHOW THIS IS WHAT IT ONCE LOOKED LIKE.
AND THEN WE'VE LOST THIS STRUCTURE OF BUILDING.
WELL, I THINK THE, THE BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL HAS TAKEN QUITE A FEW PICTURES OF THE BUILDING OKAY.
DETERMINATION THAT IT IS UNSAFE.
HE'S GOT A PRETTY DECENT FILE ON IT.
WE DON'T HAVE A, LIKE A GIS PERSON FOR THE CITY.
DO WE? UH, WE DO UNDER THE, UH, UH, STORM WATER.
PROBABLY NOT APPLICABLE HERE, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE TO THINK ABOUT.
YOU COULD CREATE A MAP OF THE CITY AND STORE PICTURES OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOW LOST.
AND LIKE, IT'S A CUTE LITTLE HOUSE, BUT IT'S ROUGH INTERRUPT.
UM, ONE OTHER THING, LET ME JUST ASK, IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE APPROVE BOTH THE CASES TONIGHT.
UM, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONER THINK EITHER OF THOSE CASES NEEDED TO COME TO US BASED ON WHAT IS MOVING, WHAT IS GOING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT,
THE, THE, THE NEW GUIDELINES FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THE PAINTING.
AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT, I REALIZE THAT'S A JUDGMENT CALL, BUT OBVIOUSLY I, I FEEL THAT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT, ALTHOUGH WE APPROVE THOSE COLORS.
WE APPROVED THE BLUE AND GOLD.
WE APPROVED THE BLUE AND GOLD BECAUSE YEAH.
THAT'S, UM, THAT WAS WHAT I STATED AT THE HEAT AT THE WORKSHOP WAS I CANNOT RECALL A TIME WHERE WE EVER DENIED A PAINT.
AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHY WE RIGHT.
AND, BUT AGAIN, THIS, I BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS HUNT, I MEAN AN ELEVATOR, I MEAN THAT'S A DA RELATED, I MEAN THERE'S PLUS THE FACT THAT THAT'S A TEMPORARY YEAH.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE CONDITION, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS THAT EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE.
I ASSUME THEY'LL HAVE BRICK PUT BRICK BRICK ON IT IF YOU'RE GONNA YEAH.
IT'S JUST A, BUT, SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP.
THIS, FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THE, THE COUNCIL, THE, THE COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT RIGHT.
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THIS RELATES TO THE NEW GUIDELINES.I THINK THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB PROBABLY SHOULD COME TO THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TEMPORARY EVENTUALLY THE PAINT.
I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT PAINT SHOULDN'T COME HERE BECAUSE PAINT'S TEMPORARY AND EVEN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR SAYS PAINT'S TEMPORARY.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PRESERVATION OF THE STRUCTURE YEAH.
OTHER THAN PRESERVING IT BECAUSE RIGHT.
PRESUMABLY IT'S REPLACING FACTS, BUT I THINK THE APPROVAL OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB PROJECT WAS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO, BUT BECAUSE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIAL, IT MAY SHOULD HAVE COME HERE.
AND THAT IS, BY THE WAY, THAT'S, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO BRING UP.
IT JUST DISCUSSED SO THAT WE CAN BE THINKING ABOUT MM-HMM
HOW CURRENT PROJECTS WOULD'VE FIT INTO THE GUIDELINES AND ALL.
I MEAN THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD APPLICATION, BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN.
IN WHICH CASE IT SHOULD HAVE COME BEFORE US.
UM, THE, UH, THE BALCONIES, I MEAN THE BALCONIES LOOK INTERESTING, BUT I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT SAFE.
AND THOSE BALCONIES ARE CERTAINLY NOT ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE, I WOULD SAY.
I MEAN, THOSE WERE ADD-ONS AFTER I WOULD THINK SO.
BEFORE WHEN IT CAME UP BEFORE I FORGET, WE HAD, THERE WAS A WINDOW.
IT WAS, UH, THE, THE THE CLEAR STORY WINDOWS OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE MODIFYING.
BUT I REMEMBER WE HAD DISCUSSION ON BASICALLY ALL THE OUTSIDE INTERIM THAT WERE RIGHT OVER THE BOARD.
AGAIN, THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND, AND KICK IT AROUND.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF, SO IN CURRENT.
OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ANYONE ELSE.
IF NOT, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.