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I DO SAY 30.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
HAVE A QUORUM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.AND IF WE CAN HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
UM, EVERYONE RECEIVED A PACK, UH, IN YOUR PACKAGE? THE, UH, MINUTES OF THE LAST MONTH'S MEETING.ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? AND IF NOT, SO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
LASTLY, THE LAST MEETING, UH, THERE'S A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? A OPPOSED? IT'S ACCEPTED.
THERE IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO READ A BRIEF STATEMENT REGARDING THE PURPOSE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, REVIEW COMMISSION.
THIS IS PARAPHRASED FROM MARTINS BURG'S ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE 10.
THE PURPOSE OF MARTINS BURG'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT IS TO PROMOTE THE EDUCATIONAL, CULTURAL, ECONOMIC, AND GENERAL WELL FAIR ON THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE PRESERVATION OF BUILDINGS, SITES, MONUMENT STRUCTURES, AND AREAS OF HISTORIC OR ARCHITECTURAL INTERESTS OR IMPORTANCE.
IN ADDITION, THE DISTRICT HAS INTENDED TO APPROVE PROPERTY VALUES AND STRENGTHEN THE LOCAL ECONOMY THROUGH PRESERVATION OF THE CITY'S CHARACTER.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION ADMINISTER THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT BY REVIEWING ALL PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION, ALTERATION, AND REPAIR OF STRUCTURES IN THE DISTRICT, INCLUDING PAINTING, MOVING, OR DEMOLITION.
STRUCTURES INCLUDE FENCES, BOUNDARY WALLS, SIGNS, LIGHT FIXTURES, STEPS, AND PAVING.
THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER ALL EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, WHICH INCLUDE THE COLOR, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, GENERAL DESIGN, AND ARRANGEMENT OF THE EXTERIOR OF A STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE TEXTURE OF THE BUILDING, MATERIALS, HEIGHT AND STYLE OF ALL WINDOWS, DOORS, LIGHT FIXTURES, SIGNS, AND OTHER FEATURES.
ALL WORK SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE, HARMONIOUS, AND CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL SCALE, STYLE, AND CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE.
IN ADDITION, THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE WITH ALL OTHERS IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT, SO AS TO AVOID INCONGRUITY AND TO PRESERVE THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN FIND, UH, THAT IN, UH, ARTICLE 10 ON, UH, MARTIN BIRD ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ONLINE.
[5. NEW BUSINESS/PUBLIC HEARINGS]
BUSINESS AND WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS.THE FIRST, UH, ITEM ON THE NINTH'S AGENDA IS PROJECT 20 25 43 HP, WHICH IS 1 24 NORTH QUEEN STREET.
IS SOMEONE HERE TO PRESENT THAT CASE? YES.
IF YOU WOULD STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE, IF YOU WOULD, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO.
MY NAME IS JUDY SANCHEZ, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO HAVE THE PERMIT TO PUT A SIGN ON, ON MY BUSINESS ON A NEW BUSINESS.
IT'S A QUEEN STREET COUNTRY MARKET.
UH, THE DESIGN IS, IS RIGHT THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE, UH, ATTACHED TO THE WALL IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE DOORS.
UM, WHILE THE COMMISSIONS ARE CONSIDERING THIS CASE, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE FLORIDA, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS CASE.
AND IF NO ONE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IT'S NOT, DO I HEAR A MOTION MOVE TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION MOTION? DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND.
AYE, MAKE SURE IT DOES MEET THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE, DOESN'T IT? IT DOES NOT.
SO SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE.
WELL, UNLESS THERE CAN BE AN ADJUSTMENT MADE.
I WAS GONNA DISCUSS THAT WITH HER AFTER, BUT YES, SO I, I, I THINK THAT THE, THE MOTION PROBABLY SHOULD BE EITHER COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY SIGN ORDINANCE OR, UH, SIZE CHANGE.
SO I'M, THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE AN ADDENDUM TO THE MOTION.
SO I'M MOVE TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION APPROVING THE AESTHETIC, BUT IT CAN'T, YEAH, IT'LL BE ADDRESSED IN THE, THE SIGN PERMIT WITH THAT.
SO I'LL ACCEPT, OR I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION, UH, WITH THE ADDENDUM THAT THE SIGN MEETS CITY IS COMPLIANT WITH CITY CODE OR GRANTED A VARIANCE.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT? YES.
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CONSIDERATIONS OF THE REGULATIONS THAT NEED TO BE PROCEEDED BEFORE PUTTING THE SIGN.UH, I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS.
AND I CAN JOIN YOU RIGHT NOW, JUST MM-HMM
SO FOUR INCHES, THAT'S WHERE, OH.
24 INCHES I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO MAKE, BUT YEAH, I CAN DEFINITELY SQUARE COME BACK TOMORROW OR, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
APPRECIATE ARE THE AESTHETICS AND NOT NECESSARILY HOPEFULLY, BUT IT'S GOOD.
THE, UH, NEXT PROJECT ON THE NICE AGENDA IS PROJECT 2025 DASH 44 DASH HP, WHICH IS THREE 17 BOYD AVENUE.
SOMEONE HERE TO PRESENT THAT CASE.
IF YOU STEP TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO, DAN? UH, MY NAME'S DAN DELIA.
UH, WE JUST PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY TO TRY TO, UM, GET IT FIXED UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE CAN, UH, LEASE IT OUT.
UM, THE GOAL IS TO ACTUALLY, AT ONE POINT THE, THE HOUSE WAS WHITE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES AROUND IT, MOST OF THE HOUSES IN THE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE WHITE.
UM, MOST OF THE HOUSES HAVE SINGLE PANE GLASS, SO WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH SOME MORE, UH, EFFICIENT, UH, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND USE ONE PANE GLASS.
AND AGAIN, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND SO I DO NEED TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS CASE.
AND IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING.
ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SURE.
UH, THE ATTIC WINDOW, WERE YOU GOING TO REPLACE THAT AS WELL? UM, WHAT'S THAT? THE, THE ATTIC WINDOW, OR, I'M GUESSING IT'S AN ATTIC UP HERE IN THE EVE.
UM, WE, WE HADN'T DISCUSSED IT, BUT I MEAN, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD REPLACE IT AS WELL.
IS THAT A WINDOW OR IS THAT A, IS THAT A VENTILATION? IT'S ACTUALLY A, THERE'S ACTUALLY A ROOM UP THERE.
THERE'S A, UM, LITTLE LOFT UP IN THE TOP.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE TRAILER WINDOW.
SOMEBODY PUT IN THERE WITH THE OLD CRANK OUT WINDOWS AND RIGHT.
BUT AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE NOT YET, YOU'RE NOT, NO PLANS TO REPLACE IT? NO.
WE'RE TRYING TO PUT WINDOWS IN THE WHOLE, IN THE HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN GET IT, UH, TO MEET AS CLOSE TO ENERGY CODE AS YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, DO I HEAR A MOTION? DO, DOES THAT, DOES THERE NEED TO BE, UH, AN EXCEPTION FOR THE, UM, THAT WINDOW? THAT WINDOW? I ASK YOU TO REPLACE THE WINDOW NOW.
THE WINDOW'S ALREADY THERE, THEN I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN.
[6. OTHER BUSINESS]
THERE ARE NO OTHER, UM, NEW ITEMS OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER BUSINESS, WHICH IS DISCUSSING THE, UM, HPRC DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE MEETING THAT WE HAVE COMING UP LATER THIS MONTH.AND, UM, I THINK WE WANT TO DISCUSS WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, AND JUST WHAT'S GOING, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
UM, LEMME KICK OFF WITH JUST A COUPLE OF, OF, I'M GONNA CALL MECHANICAL QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 21ST WEDNESDAY, THE 21ST AT SIX 30.
AND IT'S GONNA BE IN THIS ROOM, CORRECT? YEP.
UM, IS IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS WITHOUT, WITH WHAT, WITH WHAT CAME IN OUR PACKET.
THEY HAD PROVIDED A GENERAL SCHEDULE FOR THEIR VISIT, THEIR VISIT, UM, BEING PLACEMAKERS.
SOME OF THESE ARE DARK, SOME OF THESE ARE LIVE, OUR MEETING IS LIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT CHILD OPENED UP.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN I PRINTED THEM OFF, BECAUSE IN MY EMAIL THEY'RE NOT LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A MISTAKE.
NO, IT, I BELIEVE IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ON THE, ON THE FIRST PAGE IT DOES SAY TAKE THE SURVEY OR JOIN US AT THE HBRC YES.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT WAS GONNA BE HAPPENING.
I WASN'T SURE WHY, WHY SOME AND WHY SOME WEREN'T.
BECAUSE YEAH, WHEN I BRING IT UP ON MY COMPUTER, IT'S
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ALL THE SAME COVER.WELL, WHEN I PULLED IT UP ON THE COMPUTER, WELL, 'CAUSE YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, ANDY, I THINK SENT, SENT EVERYBODY AN EMAIL.
SO, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS WERE DOING ARE NEXT DOOR.
I, I'M NOT, I GUESS THEY WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE TIME CHANGED TOO, TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS TO TAKE OFF WORK DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, IS KIND OF WHAT I GATHERED OUT OF THAT.
UM, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT YOU PUT ON THE, UH, AGENDA IS DISCUSS COMMON DESIGN REVIEW ISSUES AND WHAT WORKED WITH US.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A, IT WAS JUST KIND OF A WORKSHOP THING.
IT WAS MORE OR LESS I WANTED YOU GUYS TO HAVE A CHANCE TO GATHER IDEAS BEFORE WE GET YEAH.
BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE, THE WHOLE MEETING OF WHAT, I GUESS WHAT THEIR LOOKS SEE IS OF WHAT, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, WHAT WORKS.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO JUMP IN? I MEAN, I I I'LL SAY OTHER THAN SOMETHING GARISH, I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT PAINT.
I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED LIKE A VAPOR WAVE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN, AS LONG AS IT'S SOMEWHAT IN LINE WITH HISTORICAL ACCURACY, KUDOS FOR, YOU KNOW, PROTECTING YOUR HOUSE.
BUT WE TRIED TO TAKE PAIN OUT OF OUR PURVIEW LIKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO AND THE PUBLIC FREAKED OUT.
I KNOW ONE PERSON FROM THE PUBLIC
WELL, UM, AND BY THE WAY, UH, I THINK BEFORE YOU CAME IN, WE WERE DISCUSSING PAIN AND THE, THE SHIPLER DOESN'T YEAH.
THERE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EASILY CORRECT PAIN.
AND IT PROTECTS THE STRUCTURE ON THE MEANTIME.
WE DON'T WANT THEY GO ORANGE AND BE BEYOND GREEN.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, ON THE OTHER HAND IS SO RIGHT.
UM, WHY, WHY IS YOU, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PAINTING AN ORANGE, AREN'T YOU? OR SOMETHING? I SEE WHEEL TURNING.
I'M JUST REMINISCING BACK TO WHEN WE HAD THE BIG PAINT FIASCO WHEN DON WAS HERE AND ONE OF OUR MEMBERS WANTED TO PAINT THEIR HOUSE.
AND DON SAID THAT THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS SOME CHEAP BEACH HOUSE AND YEAH.
THEN WE HAD A GIANT FALLING OUT AT THE, UH, YES.
AND I'M JUST TO COMMENT, IT WAS THE CASE I'M THINKING OF, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY IT WAS SO CONTROVERSIAL OPPOSED TO IT.
IT WAS DAWN, DON WAS OPPOSED TO IT.
I DON'T, YEAH, I THOUGHT IT LOOKED NICE, BUT I DON'T HAVE TASTE, I DON'T HAVE STYLE WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE THAT.
I JUST, IT WAS, I JUST REMEMBER WOW.
YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, YEAH, IT WAS A FLA UP.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I, I NOTICED AND ACTUALLY WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, I THINK MAYBE LAST MEETING OF THE MEETING BEFORE, I HADN'T SEEN THIS UNTIL ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WHAT WE WOULD CALL FLIPPER PEOPLE TO BUY A HOUSE, FIX IT UP AND, AND TRY TO MAKE MONEY ON IT REAL QUICK.
OFTENTIMES THESE ARE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN OR OUT OF STATE EVEN I HADN'T NOTICED THAT BEFORE.
NOT THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE PEOPLE I'M THINKING ABOUT REALLY AREN'T FLIPPER, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS TAKING PLACE.
UM, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES IS OFTEN TIMES THEY'LL HAVE THEIR CONTRACTOR COME IN TO TALK TO US.
THE CONTRACTOR CAN'T ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS AND CAN'T COMMIT TO ANY CHANGES, OR IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, AND THEY'RE PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN THEIR CONTRACT.
AND SO I'M JUST MAKING A COMMENT THAT IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE REQUIRED THE APPLICANT TO ACTUALLY BE PRESENTING THE CASE CONTRACT WITH THEM.
BUT, AND THIS IS LIKE, NOT JUST THAT ONE TIME IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
YOU'RE THINKING OF, UH, RACE STREET, UH, WAS IT TWO 14 WEST RACE STREET? OH, THAT, YEAH.
I MEAN, OVER THE YEARS I CAN, YEAH.
BUT IT SEEMS TO BE RELATED TO FLIPPER BANK.
AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE PREJUDICE, BUT APPEARS TO BE WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE WHERE IT MIGHT BE HAPPENING MORE.
BUT IT WOULD, AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE A, TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT, WHETHER IT BE THE PROPERTY OWNER OR WHOEVER, OR IF IT'S A RENTER WHO'S APPLYING FOR THE CHANGE CAN BE, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THE OWNER HAS TO MAKE THE APPLICATION.
NOW, THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE VIDEO.
I MEAN, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY HAVE TO BE HERE.
IS THIS BEING RECORDED OR NOT? IT, THIS I DON'T SEE THE SCREEN.
UM, SO YES, THIS IS BEING RECORDED.
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IT'S, IT'S ALL BEING RECORDED.IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THAT, THAT, UM, I CAN LOG INTO THE AGENDA AND, AND GO THROUGH.
THAT'S ALL THE, THAT'S ALL I'M REALLY DOING.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, I JUST, MY OWN THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT, AND I KNOW THAT IS NOT WHAT IS WANTING TO BE DONE IN THIS THING, BUT I'M JUST THINKING THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD SIMPLIFY OR THAT COULD SIMPLIFY IT FOR BOTH, BOTH SIDES.
I SAY THE OWNER PERCENTAGE, THE CASE.
AND YEAH, AND WE DO GET A LOT OF THE, WELL, CAN I SEND MY REPRESENTATIVE TYPE DEAL? AND MAYBE THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YEAH.
I WOULD BRING UP WITH THE, WITH THE GUIDELINES.
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE THROWN IN THERE, BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
AND I ALSO REALIZE, AND THERE'S SOME ORGANIZATIONS, CHURCHES IN PARTICULAR WHERE IT WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE WHO'S AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK FOR THE OKAY.
UM, SAYING, AND I KNOW AGAIN, NOT PART OF THIS OBVIOUSLY FOLLOW UP.
WE DON'T, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY FOLLOW UP.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY COME IN, WE APPROVE OR APPROVE WHATEVER THEY THEY DO.
UM, WHEREAS IF YOU APPLY FOR A TAX CREDIT FROM THE STATE FOR A HISTORIC, YOU'RE WORKING ON A HISTORIC PROJECT, YOU GOTTA GET APPROVAL IN ADVANCE AND THEY LOOK AT ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THEN THEY SEND YOU A WRITTEN APPROVAL.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THE WORK, THEN YOU HAVE TO SEND IN PHOTOGRAPHS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FOLLOW UP.
THERE'S A, A DOCUMENTED FOLLOW.
I DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE WORK FOR STAFF, BUT I'M JUST GONNA, IT WOULDN'T BE NICE IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF, HEY, HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THOUGHT I JUST PAINTED WHITE.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE EXTRA WORK, BUT I'M SAYING THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALWAYS FELT KIND OF BAD ABOUT THAT I NEVER SAW.
LIKE, HEY, OH, HERE'S YOUR SIGN THAT YOU JUST HUNG UP.
IT LOOKS AS GOOD AS YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA WORK.
AND MOST OF THE TIME FOR US IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS THIS IS APPROVED, THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE SIGN PERMIT PROCESS AND IT GETS SPLIT UP THE FINAL INSPECTION.
AND, BUT I JUST, I DON'T, IF ANYBODY WANTS, WANTS THEY SAY YAY OR NAY OR AM I OFF BASE OR AM I TRYING TO MAKE BUSY WORK? I DON'T, I THINK YOUR POINTS ARE GOOD, BUT BASED ON READING THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE ADOPTED.
NO, I, I, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
I DON'T THINK, IT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT CONTRACTORS DO IT FOR ADVERTISING.
THEY DO PROGRESS PHOTOS AND SAY BEFORE AND AFTER.
AND, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GRIPE WOULD BE ABOUT IT OTHER THAN JUST SEND ME A PHOTO.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IS WHEN WE'RE ASKED TO SAY WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DOESN'T WORK.
THEY DIDN'T WORK AND PROBABLY WOULD OFTENTIMES OPEN IN AFTER SOMETHING.
NOT THAT THEY DO WRONG, THEY JUST DON'T DO IT.
AND UH, THE PORCH, UH, WAS THE LAST ONE THAT IT WAS A FOUR 19 WORK.
I KNOW, I KNOW SOME FOLKS HAVE ASKED FOR SIGNS IN THE PAST AND THEN NEVER WERE FOLLOWED THROUGH.
MAYBE THEIR BUSINESS JUST DIDN'T PAN OUT THE WAY THEY THOUGHT AND THEY DIDN'T NEVER PUT SIGN.
ANYWAY, AND AGAIN, THAT I'M SAY THIS, I DON'T VIEW THAT AS A PROBLEM AS NECESSARILY IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ASKED TO DO IT AND THEN DON'T DO IT SIGNS IN PARTICULAR.
BUT IF IT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT HERE TO ENFORCE A, SO, UM, OKAY.
JUST, I JUST THOUGHT I MENTION THAT.
LEMME GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE TIME.
PAUL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN MAKE ANY GOOD SUGGESTIONS WITHOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'LL EVER GET TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, BUT TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND IT.
BECAUSE TO ME, AND AGAIN, I FULLY ADMIT THAT I HAVE LIMITED INSIGHT INTO THE PROCESS.
THIS LOOKS LIKE A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM.
UM, CAN'T HAD JUST MENTIONED DON WITH DON DON WOOD.
DON WOOD WITH PAINT PAINT ISSUES.
UM, THE IDEA OF GUIDELINES HAD COME UP TWICE BEFORE, BOTH UNDER HIS HISTORY.
ONE OF THE LAST TIME WAS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT EXPANDING AND BEFORE WE DID EXPAND THE HISTORIC HISTORY, THERE ARE NUMEROUS WORKSHOPS.
AND THEN ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT CAME UP, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I REMEMBER, AND THE OPPOSITION HAD TO DO A LOT AROUND PAINT.
WELL, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SAMPLES OF ALL THE, THE APPROVED PAINTS AND WE'LL GET A LOT OF TALK THERE.
BUT, UH, HE WAS SAYING IT JUST, IT'S, IF YOU WOULD END UP GETTING A HUGE BOOK OF THINGS THAT ARE APPROVED AND THINGS THAT ARE CAN'T DO, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT COMES UP WITH THE GUIDELINES, IT TAKES AWAY TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TOOLS THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS.
THE FIRST IS WE TAKE EACH CASE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, AND THEN THE SECOND IS
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WE ARE ABLE TO COMPROMISE WITH THE APPLICANT.WE CAN GO ONE-ON-ONE AND SAY, OKAY, YEAH, WE REALLY, OKAY, YOU CAN DO LINE ONE THIS, BUT CAN YOU PUT THE CROSSBAR? UM, OR WE ARE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM.
AND OFTENTIMES IT'S BECAUSE OF COST.
VERY LITERALLY THEY HAVE, I MEAN, WHAT THEY WANT, THEIR HOUSE NEEDS A LOT OF MONEY.
IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO FIX UP.
TRY TO COME TO A COMPROMISE WITH GUIDELINES THAT I'M GONNA BE BLACK OF WINE IF YOU EITHER DO IT THIS WEEK OR YES.
BUT I DO, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT DOES SOUND LIKE, OKAY, IF THERE IS ANY THINGS THAT DON'T MEET THE GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WOULD COME TO YOU GUYS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY APPEAL.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD THINK, WHAT I WOULD HOPE IS THAT MOST CASES
I THINK THAT, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH IS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A, A, A GUIDELINE FOR APPROVAL.
WE'VE JUST KIND OF EYEBALLED IT AND SAID, YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE ALL RIGHT FOR THAT LOCATION.
AND, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR HAS PUT FORTH MORE GUIDELINES OF WHAT WE SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T DO.
AND AGAIN, PAINT IS ONE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR PROBABLY 20 YEARS AGO, DECIDED TO TAKE PAINT OUT OF THE CRITERIA MM-HMM
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DID LOOK TO DO THAT.
AND WE HAD AT LEAST ONE PERSON THAT JUST WENT BALLISTIC.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION IS PROBABLY MORE INCLINED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
BECAUSE I CAN PAINT MY HOUSE EVERY, EVERY YEAR MM-HMM
IT MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE CITY DEALING WITH PROTECTIVE EXTERIORS AND TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO JUST GET SOMETHING ON IT SO IT DOESN'T DESTROY THE HOUSE.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.
I THINK THE, THE INITIAL PLAN IS FOR ROUTINE THINGS.
LIKE IF SOMEONE'S COMING IN FOR A PAINT, THEY'LL COME SEE KYLE, KYLE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS PART IT'S GOOD.
UH, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA GO TO THESE A, B, C, AND D.
IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND SAY, WE WANT TO CHANGE THE FISH SCALE ON THE SIDING, WELL THAT'S WHEN KYLE GOES, UH, YOU NEED TO GO TALK TO THE HPRC.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A RUBRIC OF ACCEPTABILITY.
I THINK SIGNS WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE COULD, WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER, BECAUSE WE JUST RUBBER STAMP IT.
I, I DON'T REMEMBER EVER DENYING A SIGN, ESPECIALLY VINYL WINDOW SIGNS.
THE VINYL WINDOW SIGNS, THAT'S ONE THAT KYLE CAN APPROVE.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIGN HERE, REALLY THE, THE ISSUE WITH THIS SIGN IS NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE HPRC POINT OF IT.
IT'S THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND THE, AND THE, THE SIGN ISSUE.
SO, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE HOPING TO MOVE TOWARDS.
SO THAT WHEN THERE IS A, A MAJOR ISSUE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD SOME BIG STUFF THAT HAVE COME HERE.
JOE'S WANTED THE DEMO, THAT WAS THE PERFECT THING TO COME HERE AND FOR US TO, TO DEBATE IT AND DECIDE.
AND I THINK ANOTHER PART OF IT IS, IS WE'RE GOING TO, I HOPE, CHANGE THE APPEAL FROM THE HPRC THAT THE APPEAL SHOULD EITHER GO TO THE BCA OR TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
IT SHOULDN'T GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
NOW THAT MAY BE MORE DIFFICULT THAN, THAN GETTING THE PAINT OFF OF OUR, OUR, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS AN ISSUE ABOUT CITY COUNCIL OVERSEEING OUR, OUR APPEALS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, ENOUGH PEOPLE GET UPSET OR THE RIGHT PEOPLE GET UPSET AND WE GET OVERTURNED.
SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SAYING ALL THESE THINGS 'CAUSE I WAS AGGRAVATED AFTER READING THAT.
BUT NOW THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME CONTEXT, I, I FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT IT.
UM, ONE OF THE, LIKE YOU SAID, BOTH SIDES, WE APPROVE.
I MEAN, PRETTY MUCH, I'M, I'M WITH CHRIS.
I DON'T REMEMBER US SAYING NO TO A SIDE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER SAYING, I DON'T REMEMBER YOU GUYS SAYING MO NO.
TO MUCH OF ANYTHING, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
NO, NOT IT, IT IS, AND I HAVE THREE THINGS THAT,
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THAT I THINK WE, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH.AND THE FIRST IS REMOVABLE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
UM, THAT, I WANNA SAY THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES.
I THINK NUMBER TWO WOULD BE VINYL ANXIETY.
BUT IN MANY CASES IT'S, IT'S ALREADY HALF DONE WHERE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ALREADY DONE.
AND THEN THERE ALREADY IS VINYL WINDOWS.
AND AGAIN, MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE SO GOOD NOW THAT IT'S NOT FOR THE ISSUE.
AND THIS CONFIGURATION OF THE HPRC IS, HAS BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
BACK IN THE DAY, I USED TO JOKE, IF THE MONTH HAD AN R WE WERE IN FAVOR OF VITAL WINDOWS.
IF IT DIDN'T, WE WERE OPPOSED TO IT.
AND THAT CREATED AN ISSUE THAT REALLY CREATED AN ISSUE FOR THE COMMISSION, WHICH THEN CAUSED AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A MUCH BETTER JOB OF CONSISTENCY, WHICH I THINK IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE LOOK TOWARDS FOR A, A GROUP LIKE THIS.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT THIS PROJECT THOUGH, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME, UH, FOR YOU ALL TO COMPLETE THIS.
I THINK IT'LL MAKE IT FOR A MUCH BETTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND A MUCH MORE STREAMLINED FOR YOU ALL THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH SOMEONE WANTING TO PUT, UH, OPEN ON THEIR WINDOW.
UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A WASTE OF TIME.
UM, ONE THING, KYLE, THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT ON YOUR LIST, UM, AND I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN OVER THE YEARS, IS SOMEBODY WILL COME BEFORE US AND SAY, WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, THE REALTOR DIDN'T TELL ME I WAS IN THE HISTORIC HISTORY.
NOW AGAIN, REALTORS DON'T, DON'T TELL MUCH
BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, I KNOW ON THE AGENDA FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, PLACEMAKERS BEING HERE FOR FREE DAY ONE OF THE BUSINESSES AND REAL, REAL ESTATE FOLKS.
AND IT NEEDS TO, I THINK THAT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FOR US TO TELL 'EM, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP.
WE WEREN'T EVEN INVITED TO THAT PART.
UM, IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP, HEY, THE REALTORS NEED TO BE AWARE THERE'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THAT THEY, IT NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT TO POTENTIAL BUYERS.
AND AGAIN, THIS MIGHT BE KIND OF PARTLY RELATED TO THAT FLIP ISSUE.
I
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES TO WHERE, UH, A LOT IS SOLD AND THEY CANNOT DO LIKE A TOWNHOME ON IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THEY ARE TOLD THEY CAN YEAH.
I WILL SAY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT'S A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING.
'CAUSE THAT'S USUALLY A SELLING POINT FOR SOME PEOPLE.
UNLESS YOU'RE FLIPPING A HOUSE.
UNLESS YOU'RE FLIPPING, EVEN THOUGH, LIKE EVEN THEN THOUGH, I FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD READ WHO THE CUSTOMER IS AND, AND IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, THERE IS A TAX CREDIT.
NOT AS EASY TO GET AS YOU WANT.
NO, IT'S NOT AS EASY TO GET, BUT THERE IS A TAX CREDIT THAT'S AVAILABLE.
NO, AND, AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY MAIN POINT WITH THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK AND, AND MYSELF AS WELL.
WE SHOULD ALL GO LOOK AT THE SHIPPO AND THE, THE FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T OKAY.
ANYTHING WITH THIS THAT WOULD COMPROMISE A POTENTIAL PERSON'S ABILITY TO CLAIM ONE OF THOSE TAX CREDITS.
JUST SO WE'RE NOT TOO FLIPPANT WITH THE APPROVALS.
SO, UM, ONE OTHER ONE I LIKE ON MECHANICAL QUESTION, ARE HOMEOWNERS OR PROP PROPERTY OWNERS MEETING WITH THESE FOLKS AT ANY TIME? OH, MEETING WITH THE PLACEMAKERS? UH, WELL I KNOW YOUR GUYS' MEETING IS ACTUALLY A PUBLIC MEETING.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN THE HOMEOWNERS ARE SUPPOSED TO COME IN AND DISCUSS THE YEAH.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT AND ABOUT TAKING PICTURES AND MAYBE INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE.
WILL THE SURVEY BE PUBLIC? THAT IS ONE QUESTION I HAD.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S BEEN PUT ON THE WEBSITE.
I, I'M NOT SURE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S BEEN DONE ON THAT END.
BUT, UH, ANDY PROBABLY HAS PUT IT ON THERE.
BUT UM, LET ME JUST BRING UP ONE OTHER THING.
DO ANY YOU FOLKS HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH HOW I HANDLE ALL THIS STUFF? NOT, NOT THIS, NOT JUST THIS NEW PROJECT, BUT JUST THE COMMISSION IN GENERAL.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON IT FOR A WHILE.
I KIND OF SOMETIMES RUN THROUGH REAL FAST, UM, ON, I'M CONSTANTLY PUSHING ON THAT.
SO NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
CONCISE IS KEEPING I DID, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THE FLOOR.
YOU CAN CRITICIZE ME, TELL ME.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE.
NO, I MEAN, MOST OF THESE CASES, LESS IS MORE.
SO AS A LIFETIME CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION,
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WELL, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU GUYS 'CAUSE I WAS DOING JUST A LITTLE STATISTICS AND EVERYTHING.
SO LAST YEAR YOU GUYS HANDLED 47 CASES.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAD EIGHT OR NINE MEETINGS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY AT SIX CASES, SO WE'RE SLOWED UP A LITTLE BIT.
NOW, BZA ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
SO YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE.
I WAS SURPRISED 'CAUSE BOTH MY, WELL ONE IS WINTER, SO THEY AREN'T DOING AS MUCH, BUT STILL THERE WAS ALMOST OKAY.
I REMEMBER FEBRUARY USED TO BE VERY, THIS, A LOT OF CASES IN FEBRUARY.
UM, AND AGAIN, BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE, UH, PAPERWORK THING WE HAVE IS SMALL REPAIRS.
SMALL REPAIRS DON'T REALLY COME.
WELL IF IT'S, AND A LOT OF IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE, TOO, AND, AND THAT'S SOME, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COMMONLY DO FAR AS A JUDGMENT IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
IF THEY COME IN AND IT'S LIKE, LOOK, I'M DOING LIKE FOR LIKE, I'M NOT CHANGING THE COLOR, REPLACING CON, REPLACING CON, IT GENERALLY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
SO I GUESS WE, BY THE WAY, I GUESS WE DO NEED TO KIND OF DO A STRAW ON WHO'S GONNA BE HERE ON UH, YES.
AND I THINK KATIE'S ALSO PLANNING ON BEING HERE.
I I'LL IF YOU DON'T RUN OFF
WELL BY THE WAY, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? COMMENT, MOVE TO ADJOURN.
WANT YOU TO ADJOURN? DO I HEAR SECOND? SECOND.